Camp Painting help Needed !

This is Turtle.
Yes First I should have Googled it but i too Lazy.
I have a camp up on the lake that i'm fixing up to try to use it again. All of the interoir is in good shape but needs painting , cleaning, and some sheetrocking work. My Friend and i are going to paint it ourself and i really need the amount of paint to get first to start out painting the inside and out. So here is the question i need to know about painting it.
1] 1/2 of the inside walls are Pannling installed in 1948 and there has been nothing put on the walls since that time and the panneling looks like it has nothing on it for it has wore off. the Panneling is installed over Solid Cypress Wood wall. What Kind of Paint do you put on this Panneling to get the paint to stick to it ? i was told sand it or ruff it up , kile stuff -- it , then paint it. How do i paint this area ?
2] 1/2 of the other inside walls is solid Cypress Walls. I'm going to paint it white with paint but I'm going to lay Sheet Rock over the wood walls , first to level the walls & cover up the cracks that you can see through to the outside and then paint it white. So 1/2 of the inside walls will be painting sheet rock from scratch. i have been told primer white and then paint white paint. So how to paint this ?
3] Painting the outside walls of the Camp. the ouitside walls is Tung and Grove Cypress boards all around the 4 sides. the camp is off the ground with concrete & Cynder block supports about 6 feet , due to high water at times in the Swamp lake it is on. i'm going to water blast the outside walls with 3,200 psi sprayer at a 5 gallon per minute rate and let dry and paint. The water blaster will take all the paint off the cypress boards and will be startinmg from scratch to paint the cypress boards. i was told prime it and paint it. How do i paint this thing as type paint , primer, and number of coats as need be ?
Details of the camp. inside heating and cooling space 1,320 sq. ft. of floor area or interoir 44 feet X 30 feet. The camp is broke up in 1 bed room area , Bath Room, and main area. The wood Floor area and wood ceiling area put together get it to 2,640 sf. feet of paintiable area. The 4 walls if the inside of the camp is 1,184 sq. ft. of area space. The interior walls to be painted and adding both sides is 320 sq. ft. of area or paintiable area. Now outside walls to be painted is 1,235 sq. ft. of paintiable area.
So the Outside paintiable area is wood with no paint on the cypress tung and grove wall and paintiable area of 1,235 sq. ft. and the interior is about 4,144 sq. ft. of paintiable area.
I'm going to buy the paint in 5 gallon buckets or 1 gallon if need be and everything is going to be white and the name of the camp is going to be called Turtle's White House or just White house [ it use to be painted Red / White / Blue ] and will roll on all the paint but do the trim with a brush. The people painting will surely not know what they are doing for here is their jobs in life and nothing to do with painting. School maintainance Superentendet , City Chief of Police, HVAC contractor, Pulp Wood cutter, a Grave Digger, and one unemployeed brother in law who would come work for 2 case of Bud & a carton of Cigerettes.
Read # 1 #2 #3 and advise way and how much paint needed. OR just advise on how and give me a ruff ideal of sq. ft. per gallon of paint by rolling it and i will figure it. The reason for needing to know how much paint is it's 40 miles round trip to any supply stores to get anything we need.
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I'd tell you how,,but Im too lazy
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This is Turtle.
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I would get out my airless, an older Campbell hausfield. I would figure on the primer coat no more than 250 sq feet per gallon. After that may be 300 sq ft per gallon.
If your planning on using rollers, then maybe a little less per square foot. Problem would be with a roller is the Cyprus. It could be a bear to get it to cover. Airless would be what I would use. To bad I am so far away, I would blow the interior and exterior for some bbq and beer.
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This is Turtle.
The Figures of the square foot age verses the gallon of paint was what i needed. Thank you there.
**************************************************************************If i'm going to paint over this old panneling -- Do you use something like a Kile Primer stuff or what ? OR Can you just prime it and paint it ? *****************************************************
Now the bunch is coming up there will get all the Cokes & beer they can drink and we are going to BBQ a bunch Chicken, Sausage, Pork ButterFly Loin , and 2 Rabbits. Also Bake Bean, Potato Salad, French Bread, and Fried Okra .
We have one fellow with a Spray gun but we was going to keep his ass outside for we painted another friends camp and him a using that spray gun inside and he like to have kill us all with the paint vapors in the air for he would stand back 10 feet from the wall and shoot it. We had to make him go outside to paint before he kill us all.
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SQ would do it for Bbq and beer, Me to, its 18 outside today, I could use a vacation. Id bring my Titan airless and excessories . But You would have to get me some home made shine to take home and fire up the Smoker and throw in some fresh gulf shrimp. I will pay for the Jumbo shrimp, cooked up a hot Cajun style would be just fine. As long as I see Gerimiah the Bullfrog its a deal. Too cold here for a long, long, while.
Not knowing how you want the finish to look. White Latex stain on bare wood could come out real nice "actualy beige" with wood oils and look antiqued-worn, Its also easier on a hangover than pure white. Stains don`t peel, but require more often recoats as they "wear" away , but the non peeling is a big consideration in hard environments. But Cyprus has its considerations . Talk to a local paint store pro, not HD.
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This is Turtle.
The Painters around here have told me that it suck up paint like water if it is dry cypress. What or how does this mean anything ?
You said something that we might change thing to is some BBQ shrimp and you can get them down here bigger sizes like 8 to 12 shrimp to the pound to BBQ with. there is a fellow who goes every 2 day to Cameron, La. to meet the shrimp boat and gets fresh shrimp to sell in town. the Boats run from Monday to wed. to friday. the boat come in to dump their catch from the 2 day run at the Wholesale buyers house. they give the boats $.75 a pound for the 32 to 60 count --- $1.25 a pound for small 20 to 30 count --- $2.00 a pound for the 14 to 18 count --- $3.00 a pound for the 8 to 12 count. The Boat operator will sell to you off the boat at these prices for the Wholesale house will give them the same. they like to sell to people because you pay cash and no record of the sale. The Boat owner / Skipper / Crew get each a share of this cash. these Boat can have 2,000 to 5,000 pounds of shrimp on the boat and can sell 2,000 pounds before they get to the Shrimp wholesale house to unload. These prices are right now but during the hot summer time these price could be cut by 30% if they are having a good year. Also they tell me that 70% of the shrimp leave the state to go up north where they pay big money to get these shrimp.
I think I may have to get Cardel to get me 5 pounds of the 8 to 12 shrimp to put on the BBQ pit too. He buys them at $3.00 and sells them for $4.00 a pound.
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Giving exact correct info is kinda like asking you what furnace and ducting is needed without you seeing it on a old leaky house. Photos would help alot. But few ideas and concerns are , you need to find out if oil or wax was used on the paneling . If it is not clean your paint may fail as nothing bonds to wax or oils. Wash an area of the paneling, then take alcohol and see if wax residue comes off on a clean white rag. For the paneling you may need something made to bond to poor surfaces and gloss, a primer for your job not regular primer.
Id look for dark spots-areas near the bottom and the North exerior walls, Spill some bleach on it, if it comes alot cleaner in 10 minutes you have mold. No paint should be put on over mold as the paint wont last. Mold is a plant. If you have mold which is likely if you are in shade-humid-on the swamp get a garden sprayer and allot of bleach. Spray the bleach before you power wash, letting it sit 30 minutes or so. You can dilute it 50% but diluting it to much and it wont work well. Cyprus wood? I don`t know cyprus wood but if it is an oily wood like cedar you need oil primer or stain hiding or oil blead through will happen. Coverage , again , can`t see it. is it porrus , dry, cracked? Does water soak right in? Paint cans or product spec sheets have coverage amounts, they are usualy a bit too optimistic. On old dry cedar I can get real poor coverage maybe 100sq ft gal. Yes spraying is best quickest. But you can waste paint if not careful . For the exterior Consider oil stain, it wont peel , you can usualy spray 2 coats in a day and don`t need a separate primer. New drywall you use cheap latex primer, but the paneling may need something special, again can`t see it to know what is on it now. A local paint store and or Sherwin Williams will know your wood the best as I`ve never even seen Cyprus . They have many grades of primer and finish products, they will help you pick the best for your place. Don`t put product on hot surfaces or in the sun, quick curing is usualy bad.
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very good suggestions.
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This is Turtle.
I got some good stuff from your post but a few things have changed. We will not be painting any of the crpress inside for all the cypress walls will be sheet rocked up and mudded up. Also the holes where you can see the outside is hair line cracks and i don't think rain will get to the sheet rock walls. The other 1/2 of the inside will be the Old panneling that will be painted over is dry as a bone and has not seen paint or oil paint in 50 years. The Original stain on the panneling is gone and no shine or color left at all. We was going to sand it a little to make the primer stick and paint over it. now to the look of the paint on it. well It's a cook up place or the Old Boys Club house and if the paint peals in some places. well we can scrap it a little and put more paint on it. Also two of the hands are going up there early in the morning to wash the inside down with a 3,200 psi wash down gun. We have it gutted now and the Cypress floor leak the water out as fast as you shoot the gun. So all the mold , oil , paint , or anything else will be washed off the walls and floor before we sheet rock and paint anything. If you have cypress walls , floor, and beams under it. Water don't hurt anything and you can bring in a water hose to just clean up. now after the sheet rock is put in this story will change. everything is going to be spotless before we start. and Yes this camp has NO insulation at all and has 2 -- 2 ton window units and a Pot Belly wood Stove for heat.
Now the outside walls are cypress and the paint we used on it 25 years ago is all but gone. Now it did stay on there good for 15 years or so before it started pealing off. i talk to the fellow at the hardware store where we get the paint and he said the cypress will suck up the paint and if you keep rolling the paint on it. it will just take all the paint you have till you paint it one time and let it dry and then it will stop sucking up the paint when you paint it again. if you don't paint one coat and let it dry first. the paint your painting with will never get a good coat because of it will keep taking paint till you stop up the pores of the wood and then it will stop taking the paint. We have not bought the paint yet and we might look at the oil stain paint for because of the cypress being a paint sucker upper. i remember painting a placve in the front area about 6 or 8 times tring to get a red coat to cover it. it just kept sucking it up.
Tomorrow we are going out there to cut brush & wash it down inside and out and get everything ready to paint and also hang the sheet rock. I will have a better assistment tomorrow after we tear it apart .
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Is the outside cupress "silvered" and crackly-looking? If so, it has probably lost all the natural oil. If you can, try sanding it a bit and see if the color changes. (That may be more work than you want to do. Here in New Orleans they sand the whole house with circular sanders first.) Then prime it with an oil primer. The paint store guy was right. You may have to give it a few coats of exterior oil primer, let it get nice and dry. After the first coat, you might want to caulk all the exterior cracks as well. Of course, before you start, you may want to bang all the nails (or put in new nails as needed) to get all the boards tight. If some of the cypress boards are in real bad shape, replace them. You probably have a local hardwood dealer that will be selling it around 50 cents a foot or less; maybe 25 cents a foot for the #2 stuff. If you do that pressure washing you mentioned in your first coat, you will need to wait for a few warm days to dry it out. If there's still moisture in the back of the wood (but with the surface looking dry) that will bite you and the paint will peel.
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This is Turtle.
this camp as I say was a House at one time back in the 1940's and the cypress trees was pulled up from the bottom of the swamp lake that was cut down on the lake back in the 1880's. there was a Steam powered 300 foot flate Deck boat that was cutting trees and hauling them to the bank to be haul to the saw mills for pressing and the Flate boat sunk with a full load of trees on it. there was close to 300 trees on it and cypress never water rots. The trees sit there till the 1940's and they started cutting the trees again for making Navy boats during WW l l war and the trees at the bottom of the lake was pull up also. You could not buy the new cypress they would cut but the trees at the bottom of the lake they would sell to the public. The fellow who built the house paid $155.00 for all the wood in cypress to build his house and it was called bottom wood. This cypress that has been at the bottom of the lake for 60 years has lost all of it's oil or what every and then was nailed up and dried for another 50 years as a house and surely lost all the oil. it was painted 1 time with water base paint when i bought it and that is it for paint. So there has been nothing in the line of oil on this wood.
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From what you say it sounds like the wood is dry, like a sponge. You could go out there and put 500$ worth of primer on or get someone who knows and Seal it 1st coat for 100 in primer. You have a house that could suck you and paint dry unless you use a guy that knows old Cypress.
Are interior studs 16" or 24" on center 24 and you need 5/8 minimum Money pit.
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Cracks where you can see through to the outside? Hope you're planning on doing one heck of a good caulking job on the outside before you paint...drywall doesn't like wet. Even with the caulking, I'd probably lean towards greenboard or skim-coated concrete board -- caulking has a habit of failing, and a camp isn't something you can keep an eye on every day. Heck, I'd be real leery about painting at all -- the walls don't sound all that moisture proof, and I think you'll be looking at bubbled paint in short order on the non-drywalled sections, and mold / mildew behind the drywall to boot.
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We will never get this place perfect for we are not worried about mold or mildew or paint pealing for we are just tring to keep the snakes , wood rats, and coons out of the walls if we can. if the mold of stuff like that gets bad we will just spray it down with bleach and kill it off and then repaint it. Bleach , a 22 rifle, rat poisin , and new paint is the cure all. The other day we put 5 boxes of moth ball in the cracks of the wall to run the Snakes & animal out before we close it up.
Now Tomorrow nite i will reread all this to get a ideal of the route to take.
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