Union Pacific denied a request from the Mayor just last year. A
runaway tanker with 30,000 gallons of chlorine.
.."But when officials like Mayor Oscar Goodman asked for basic
notification, letting the valley know when dangerous stuff was heading
our way, the railroad declined. Since this is interstate commerce,
there's nothing local governments can do about it."
- Listen to all of the 911 calls
"We just had a tanker come flying by the railroad tracks. No
locomotive at all. It was doing 35 to 40 miles an hour," said a caller
to 911. The operators who took the first calls seemed mystified.
"I've got a runaway rail car going north," said the caller.
"What's it running away on?" asked the operator.
"The railroad tracks. There is no, uh, head on the train," said the
The 8th call to police was from the railroad. It was an embarrassing
admission. "Yeah, we just had a runaway rail car and we believe it's
loaded with chlorine," said the Union Pacific caller.
"Do you have sight of it?" asked the operator.
"No, we lost sight of it but we are attempting to run it down right
now," said the Union Pacific caller.
A tanker car filled with 30,000 gallons of deadly chlorine sped all
the way across the Las Vegas valley and stopped only because it
eventually rolled uphill.
The fact that it did not slam into a train parked on the tracks is
considered miraculous by many. A later study estimated it could have
killed up to 90,000 people if it had derailed in the middle of town.
That is one of the fundamental flaws with the logic of anti-nuclear fools.
Their entire argument depends on IFs... what if this happens, what if that
happens. Whereas current coal and fossil fuel technology is already causing
environmental damage and health problems, guaranteed.
There's one of the kinds of things to worry about a whole lot more than
Even if a car were to escape w/ a spent fuel cask, the design is such
even if it were hit, nothing would have happened to the fuel cask. But,
since all shipments are made w/ escorts, etc., as opposed to simply
standard freight shipments, the likelihood is vanishingly small such and
event would happen.
I guess familiarity helps here -- 30 years primarily in commercial power
generation with BSNE and MS Physics w/ an emphasis on nuclear energy
degrees means makes for not being scared and recognizing what is
fearmongering and what is at least a rational argument.
Having a fair amount of that 30 years also being in the Oak Ridge area
and also doing a fair amount of consulting to DOE at the various
facilities including some review studies of vendor cask licensing design
and analysis submittals and knowing many of the other individuals at
Sandia, Los Alamos, Savannah River, Argonne, ..., on a professional
basis concern over their credentials and integrity is not a concern of mine.
Without that background and given the general level of political
doubletalk I can understand skepticism from the pronouncement of
politicos. The underlying questions here, however, aren't actually
As a comforting thought, there are three basic rules for radiation
exposure protection -- time, shielding, distance. You have the cheapest
and easiest to obtain one going for you--distance. :)
"dpb", let me "translate" your recitation of experience: BSNE likely via
US military/Navy(?) with a "terminal" MS (likely from some university
with close ties to military and which hands out MS degrees essentially
for class attendance)-- no thesis, no true specialization. The rest of
your experience is osmotic ("knowing many of the other individuals") and
a legacy of having served the industry well while in your military
position (probably "procurement") in active duty so that when you
retired, you were rewarded by the industry with some harmless but
lucrative "consulting" positions. In short, you are a low-level industry
That explains your bias and inability to provide objective support for
No, military at all...
BSNE, Kansas State Univerisity
MS Physics, Lynchburg
Specialization was incore instrumentation and reactor core design.
No military role. 10 years design then internal R&D w/ reactor vendor.
20+ years consulting to various utility clients including many nuclear
utilities and DOE, NRC, ORNL. Author of many technical reports,
referenced in at least one widely used text.
Last 10 years roughly with EPRI (formerly known as Electric Power
Research Institute) Instrumentation & Control Center at the Kingtston
Fossil Plant. Last major project before retiring was development of an
online pulverized coal flow instrument based on advanced nonlinear
Your estimate is wrong on all counts.
So you say.
Funny. Your way of presenting an argument doesn't match the
mathematicians (my area) or physicists I've worked with over the years.
I think you've deserted any scientific roots you may have had and simply
become a freelancing industry tout.
BTW, I did consulting (computer systems design) for EPRI in the SF Bay
area a "while ago". LOL.
Funny. Your personal attacks and arguments have had little resemblance
to a mathematical treatise.
ahr is not a suitable forum for detailed scientific or engineering
writing--although specific opinions offered have been based on direct
experience/knowledge and certain comments noted as being recollections
were later verified as fundamentally correct.
Ermina, your writings don't come across like someone with understanding of
advanced mathematics or theoretical physics. Your personal insults are
pretty sharp, but I haven't seen you put much effort into applying
scienctific knowledge in these conversations.
Thanks for thought. What about this report?
.."The DOE suffered serious credibility setbacks when e-mails written
by U.S. Geological Survey employees working on the Yucca Mountain
project became public, indicating that documents related to climate
and water infiltration studies had been falsified."
We already have more nuclear waste waiting to be disposed of that can
be put into the Yucca Mountain site if it were opened tomorrow and it
is not ready to be opened. Political or Technical, it is a problem
that must be addressed before it becomes a disaster not after.
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