Harry "Pinky" Reid says Yucca Mountain will not open.
Other recent comment (DAGS).
"DOE: Cost Estimate Soars for Yucca Mountain Project
By Pam Hunter and Tom Ichniowski
The cost of the proposed nuclear waste repository beneath Nevada’s
Yucca Mountain has risen sharply. The Dept. of Energy reported on Aug.
5 the project’s estimated 150-year life-cycle cost is $96.2 billion,
up 67% from 2001’s $57.5-billion. DOE says the hike includes $16
billion for inflation and a 26% rise in the amount of spent fuel to be
disposed. Construction, operation and decommissioning comprise $54.8
billion of the new figure."
Intersting photos here:
Oh, it _will_ open, the question is just how much longer Harry can keep
dragging it out. There simply isn't a viable alternative any longer and
it is inevitable imo there will begin to be brownouts before we final
get past the quagmire which is (also imo) only going to deepen w/ the
next adminstration which will focus on the utopian dreams which will
turn out to be unrealizable in time if ever. At that point, public
opinion will change dramatically and Harry won't matter any longer.
Re: pictures, etc., ... did quite a bit of work there years ago thru
consulting firm was working for at the time. Always hated it when was
short enough of other work that ever had to work on DOE-sponsored stuff
instead of commercial, but in Oak Ridge one always had to hold one's
nose and do what needed doing on occasion to stay in groceries. :(
Until the lights go out...then sentiment will change overnight.
And, unless something is done sizably w/ conventional generation of one
sort or the other, it's inevitable assuming he's not so adamant the he
does actually drive the boat into a complete economic collapse.
It's simply not possible w/ any short term alternative technology on the
And, don't forget, there are 28+ new units already filed on the NRC
licensing docket. There will be some delay owing to the current
slowdown undoubtedly that will allow for some additional deferral of
demand, but as those new units approach operation and time continues w/
operating units, the spent fuel pools _will_ have to be emptied or the
current units will have to shut down with nothing to replace them.
And, of course, also as noted upthread don't forget that if the big-O
and his minions are really serious about C-sequestration, there simply
is no large-scale alternative w/ the necessary reliability factor.
Solar and wind are simply too intermittent for more than the 20% sort of
contribution unless he can figure out how to pull a Joshua on the solar
and harness the hot air from DC for the wind. Otherwise, afaik, the one
sets every night still and will probably continue to do so and the other
is sporadic even in the windiest of areas, also somewhat inconveniently
at typical minimums in the height of summer and the depth of winter; the
two highest demand times of the year.
It's a case of reality will trump hoping for in the end.
Harry don't matter anyway, imo. I think completion is due in 2020?
Just a layman here, BUT there are a lot of transport problems to be
faced in our future. Particularly trucking and train safety.
What about earthquakes at Yucca Mt.?
Just yesterday Vegas had a small quake.
"LAS VEGAS -- A 2.6 magnitude earthquake could be felt across the
Valley Wednesday night, according to the National Earthquake Center.
The minor earthquake originated from the area of East Lake Mead and
North Nellis boulevards, near Nellis Air Force Base."
No. Spent fuel transport casks have been demonstrated experimentally to
take direct hit from 70-mph railroad locomotive followed by fire and not
leak contamination. There's no significant radioactive risk.
What about them? If worst were to come to worst, it will simply bury
the waste underground. Meanwhile, the facility is designed to
accommodate seismic activity. There are far more real dangers and
boogey men to worry over in this world.
Even _IF_ (the proverbial "big if" which in this case is simply huge,
not just big) it were to happen, that it's underground would prevent any
massive immediate release and the effects afterward could be dealt with
w/o any need for rush.
I reiterate that there are far more serious boogey men to worry over
than some theorized disaster at Yucca Mtn is my point. Sure, a large
enough 'quake could make a mess of the facility, but it would not be any
There are three, and only three, deleterious health effects of
1. Genetic mutation
2. Radiation sickness
There has never been a case of a live birth with radiation-induced genetic
mutations. With radiation sickness, you either get over it or you die.
Cancer is probably the most-studied disease on the planet.
On the other hand, we don't even know the NAMES of all the stuff from a
coal-fired power plant's chimney.
You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about.
One of the requirements for any high-level nuclear waste repository
(such as Yucca Mountain) is that the waste be both monitored and
retrievable. They don't just chuck it in there willy-nilly and figure
"out of sight, out of mind". Mind you, these are DOE's rules, not those
written by some granola-munching tree hugger.
So earthquakes do pose significant risks, and you can be sure that the
DOE is paying attention to the reports they get from the USGS.
Washing one\'s hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.
You didn't read or at least pay attention to what I wrote upthread. I
had already talked of there being seismic criteria for the design and
construction of Yucca Mountain. I was simply saying that in the
extremely unlikely event of a seismic event even greater than the design
basis plus the overdesign that something did happen it would _still_ not
cause a nuclear disaster.
A design for a high-level waste repository only requires it be both
monitored and retrievable _IF_ that is the goal and design criterion.
It does so happen that that is the criterion for Yucca Mountain, true.
The reason for that is, of course, owing to the fact that the
reprocessing option had previously been removed from the table leaving
this as the only way forward at the time the decision was made.
I reiterate that there are far more serious boogey men to worry over in
the world than a postulated seismic event at Yucca Mountain. That is
true in large part to what I do know has been included in the design of
the facility and what I know from 30 years commercial nuclear power
experience of the nature of spent nuclear fuel.
How does the layman trust the government for the truth on this
Some how, I read a particular metal would be needed to encase
(shielded around) all this mess (10,000 years) and would deplete the
earth supply of that material.
I'm just more skeptical of the government than I am of the dangers of
a quake. But I live here 100 miles away.
There are tapes of the impact -- I'm sure if one looked one could find
them on the internet by now.
I'm absolutely positive one can still find the reports and look at the
If you're worried about the black helicopters, sorry I can't help.
I don't know what the first part is intended to parse to.
What, precisely, aren't you convinced of and why based on test
documented test results? You seriously think the test results were
somehow fabricated? If that's the case it's tinfoil hat time, sorry.
I'm not convinced when I see those in "the know" speak out both sides
of their mouth.
Just recently the local Mayor declared he would arrest, detain train
conductors and await legal matters. The trains will not travel the
tracks along the Vegas strip on the way to Yucca Mtn.
I'm not convinced the unknowing can lead the unwilling.
I don't know what you mean, specifically. The question is (or should
be) "what is specifically inadequate in the shipping cask design as
demonstrated by a failure during test or for what additional achievable
condition(s) of any conceivable accident haven't been tested?"
The above statement is unanswerable and doesn't help anything.
More populist politics with no reasonable basis in risk as compared to
ordinary activities along the Strip every day. Great for grandstanding
politicians to get attention; not so much value for accomplishing
Again, the unknowing are more the unwilling than vice versa imo.
Another poster upthread claimed the protest movement didn't really
affect much and in some minor ways that's true. What it did do,
however, is a great disservice in that it raised irrational fear based
on ignorance in the general populace.
Other than the aforementioned fact that if so it's only an act of
political grandstanding, I'd question whether a local official has the
jurisdiction to interfere w/ legitimate interstate commerce?
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