Calif says "not so fast" to oil changes

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Steve Barker wrote:

Driving model T yet? Or trying hard to make oil cos. rich?
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I don't see what the big deal is. My Toyota dealer recycles used drain oil. I'll continue to have the oil changed at the intervals recommended by Toyota. Fuck Kalifornia!
This is yet another example of a wasteful and useless Kalifornia program...sort of like the US government's ethanol fuel scam.
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Al Goar wrote:

That is for sure. Corn is not a good candidate for alternate fuel. It needs gal. of gas to produce 2 gals of corn ethanol vs. 9 gals of ethanol using sugar cane. Most of cars in Brazil runs on sugar cane ethanol as well she is finding oil off shore too.
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Al Goar wrote:

California is conquered Mexico!
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Doesn't look much like it was.
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I hope someone can find it on the net, and post a link. I suspect that the manufacture of ethanol takes more energy than it produces. so, ethanol in the gasoline both damages vehicles and also increases our use of petroleum. http://www.alternativeenergyprimer.com/ethanol-as-fuel.html One such link.
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This is yet another example of a wasteful and useless Kalifornia program...sort of like the US government's ethanol fuel scam.
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 23:10:42 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"

into account all the energy required to plant,cultivate, and harvest the corn, icluding the natural gas used to produce the nitrogen fertilizer, there was something like a 5% net energy deficit, not including transportation to end market. With the new hybrids that are currently being supplied by ADM they are now claiming up to something like 7% net energy gain, in real world numbers.
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I'm sure your 1947 Desoto thanks you. Me, I drive a bit newer.
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .

3000 it is here. always has been, always will be. No multi-vis shit either.
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On 12/17/2011 11:46 AM, Steve Barker wrote:

Did you just wake up from a 30 year sleep?
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On 12/17/2011 06:28 PM, IGot2P wrote:

I disagree with his stance on multi-vis oils, but I do think that the oil change monitor on some newer cars is giving too much credit to the oils available. If I can hear and feel the difference in the engine after an oil change, that says to me that significant degradation of the oil has occurred, to the point where something is out of spec (the variable valve timing mechanism maybe?) And this in a car where I was so nervous about the OCIs recommended ('08 Impala) that I've been paying extra out of my pocket for synthetic oil. FWIW in that car it seems that the oil life monitor tends to recommend an oil change about every 7500 miles; less in winter where there may be more idling (warming up engine while scraping ice off windows etc.)
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You MUST be old and set in your ways...WTF!
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 05:07:05 -0800 (PST), Bob_Villa

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On 12/17/2011 12:46 PM, Steve Barker wrote:

You do know that good synthetics offer the benefits of multi-viscosity oils without (or with a significantly reduced amount of) viscosity improvers, which I assume is the reason that you don't like multi-vis oils?
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