I don't want to get into an argument about gun control laws, but the section on self-defense on this web page (h t t p://w w w .asahi- net.or.jp/~zj5j-gttl/guns.htm#Self-defense) cites scientific studies that back up my mathematical speculations about it being safer (on average) to not own a gun for self defense. The studies are a bit dated now, but the relative numbers probably haven't changed much in the past 25 years. These are peer-reviewed articles, so you know that they had to be able to back up their claims. And If you're counting injuries and deaths, a medical journal is the right place to look.
" snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Yes. Or their front door. And on their autos.
This is SUCH an appropriate quote;
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow... For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding."
---------- Jeff Snyder
Most "progressives" overlook/ignore the second part.
OT: Steve look in that book for "Cracker". Tell me if it describes a Black Cowboy, a Florida Negro that popped whips. Cracking of the whip lent the name Cracker.
I've never had more than a five minute wait on the NICS system. ...and that is too long.
NY, too, at least when I lived there.
Hmm, that's interesting. I think I'll still have to have an NICS check (the last gun I bought I didn't have a CCW permit). I'm thinking about a Walther PPK/S. ;-)
I said "may get hit." This happens when the NICS check is equivocal. The feds get five days to research you. If the gun store doesn't hear back within five days, the store is allowed to presume you passed.
It's a federal law allowing states to bypass the NICS *IF* their CHL law meets certain minimum requirements. After all, a CHL check is more intensive than a NICS check - for example a CHL check usually includes fingerprinting.
One of the things that will disqualify a CHL holder from skipping the NICS check is the period for which the CHL is good. To skip the NICS check, the CHL must be dated and good for no more than five years.
As an aside, I saw a federal officer get pissed because he had to undergo an NICS check at a gun show. It seems as if his badge and identification was not dated.
CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
PART 478_COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION--Table of Contents
Subpart F_Conduct of Business
Sec. 478.102 Sales or deliveries of firearms on and after November 30, 1998.
(d) Exceptions to NICS check. The provisions of paragraph (a) of this section shall not apply if-- (1) The transferee has presented to the licensee a valid permit or license that-- (i) Allows the transferee to possess, acquire, or carry a firearm; (ii) Was issued not more than 5 years earlier by the State in which the transfer is to take place; and (iii) The law of the State provides that such a permit or license is to be issued only after an authorized government official has verified that the information available to such official does not indicate that possession of a firearm by the transferee would be in violation of Federal, State, or local law: Provided, That on and after November 30, 1998, the information available to such official includes the NICS;
Here's a list of which states qualify:
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States with CHL that qualify: Alaska Arizona Arkansas California (some) Georgia Hawaii Iowa Kentucky Michigan Mississippi Montana Nebraska North Carolina North Dakota South Carolina Texas Utah Wyoming
" snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
in certain situations,government can SHUT DOWN gun sales.
I see no problem with checking a potential buyers legal status before transferring a gun to them,particularly since it can be done quickly and without identifying records being kept. Prohibited people(felons,mentally ill) should not be able to walk into a gun shop and buy a firearm.
these days,you can get compact pistols that hold 10 rounds in 9x19 Luger/Parabellum instead of the PPK/S 7 rounds of weaker .380ACP.(9x17);a "minimalist" cartridge.
BTW,in Florida,even with a permit,you still have the NICS check. You could have committed crimes since the permit was issued,like misdemeanor domestic violence. But the waiting period (for handguns) is waived.
FWIW, The prohibition against the mentally ill is largely unenforceable in real life since those are generally medical records and thus not available under privacy laws. You might be able to pick up a small percentage by review police runs, but in most jurisdictions, even court records about involuntary commitments (Baker Act, 72 Hour hold, whatever it is called) are sealed.
I want to know why liberals are reading Jeff Snyder. If they're not reading him or paying attention to him, then they can't be ignoring just the second part. They're ignoring all of it because they haven't seen it at all
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