Officials loyal to Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey went to elaborate mean
s to make it appear that the September closing of lanes leading to the Geor
ge Washington Bridge was part of a traffic study, even though their private
communications suggest the move was purely political, according to documen
ts released on Friday.
The documents also show a concerted effort to keep their true motivation hi
dden, including the insistence by one official of the Port Authority of New
York and New Jersey in an email that communications about the matter shoul
d not be conducted by email or discussed publicly.
Among the documents was a PowerPoint presentation prepared after three days
of snarled traffic, titled “EARLY assessment of the benefits of the tria
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:30:45 -0800 (PST), "David Smith Jr."
I guess he was too late on that, given what that woman had already
Christi's press conference was 2 hours long, and the news certainly
didn't play it all, and even if it's online, I don't think I have the
patience to watch it, but two things bother me, subject to correction.
He fired that girl, but what about the head or assistant head of the
Port Authority that he appointed, who was directly involved in it, I
guess the one you refer to above. Did Christi say that he should
resign? Or anything about him?
And the part ABC TV news showed (and admittedly ABC news is about as bad
at doing news as a network can be.) only showed him saying, If someone
lies to me, he's fired. Nothing about, If someone screws up traffic
for personal reasons, he's fired. Did he say that too?
LOL. Was there ever a later assessment after all the "data" was in?
Aren't they guilty of breaking some laws, too? Malicious mischief?
The news sometimes says that someone died, possibly because of the delay
in the ambulance reaching her. I hope the family sues, even if the
death was inevitable and not caused by the delay. Heck, people sue for
inadequate reasons all the time, but here their subpoenas should help to
get the full story.
Being involved in the mess for retaliation is one issue. Even if
Christy was not involved, WTF was he doing for the 4 days this was going
on.....the governor doesn't know about a city and bridge effectively cut
off from emergency services? Really? I was beginning to like the guy,
especially since he hugged Obama; such an outrage!
That's a good point.
I've driven into the city there, but never in rush hour iirc. If it was
rush hour, I did things in New Jersey until it wasn't. And traffic is
heavy all the time, takes maybe 5 minutes to go the last 1/2 mile when
things are at their best during the day,
I have a good friend who used to drive that way every day, but was
retired by the time this happened.
But here's an experiment. Assume Christi is totally innocent.
Given his personality, you know he wants to curse, or tell off in the
strongest way, the woman he fired. You know he wants to call the guy he
appointed and curse him out. But even wrong-doers** get self-righteous
when they imagine they've been overly criticized, and if he does this,
there's a good chance they'll tell the press that Christi told them to
do this, even though he didn't (we're assuming).
**And they probably think they did nothing wrong. After all, isn't
this how the game is played!
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Mr. Sokolich said he had a good relationship with the Christie
administration and couldn't imagine he would be important enough for the
campaign to punish him for not publicly endorsing Mr. Christie. The
mayor said he was supporting Democratic Sen. Barbara Buono, Mr.
"I've always been incredibly supportive of Gov. Christie even in the
face of people criticizing me for it. I find it incomprehensible that
there's any truth whatsoever to these rumors," he said.
Kevin Roberts, a spokesman for the Christie campaign, said that any
notion that Mr. Sokolich faced retribution for not endorsing the
governor was "crazy."
Huttle said the notion that some agency officials would close the
entrance ramps to punish a political foe was hard to believe.
Weinberg also said she found it difficult to believe that the Port
Authority would snarl traffic and endanger people for political reasons.
=== This is what happens when insanity meets sanity.
There is another pile of poop involving Christy and (supreme court?)
judges in Jersey. Not being a follower of big-city politics, and going
by gut feeling, I'd expect Jersey to be downer-and-dirtier than even
My gut sense is that the Dems will make a bit
to-do about this, as long as the press will go
along. That will serve to distract from the
death of our soldiers in Benghazi, the death of
border agents who were shot by illegals armed by
Eric Holder, and the rising real unemployment.
REAL Americans don't give a shit about made up scandals by the GOP that only Fake News outlets complain endlessly about.
Who really gives a shit about of handful of wanta-be heros who got their ass kicked by cave dwellers or Mexican drug lords in places they shouldn't be to start with?
However Real Americans love seeing a lying, obnoxious fat ass, big mouths brought down . The Feds are getting involved now .. and Eric Holder will ensure these investigations last until 2017.
Pay back Nj style.
On Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:06:49 AM UTC-5, NorMinn wrote:
Sigh.... The only pile of poop is what you just posted, starting
with the fact that you can't even spell the governors name.
The alleged "poop" in this case is that Christie and the Democratic
controlled legislature differ on who should or should not be appointed
to the Supreme Court. Wow, imagine that, Republicans and Democrats
disagreeing on SC appointments. Christie didn't re-appoint
a lib and that got the Dems all pissed off. It was absolutely,
unquestionably within Christie's right and constitutional authority
as governor to do. Not only that, it's essential and what the voters
who elected Christie twice want, because the SC has wrecked the state,
with one lib loon ruling after another.
So, now loon Maddow over at MSNBC comes up with the bizarre theory that
the whole bridge thing was to punish senate democrat
leader Weinberg, not the Mayor of Ft Lee. The only problem is that
there is nothing to support it and lots to refute it.
Here is a nice piece that totally demolishes it. Basic fact is that
in all the emails, memos, etc, Weinberg is not mentioned even once.
Ft Lee Mayor Sokolich, is mentioned many times, they even refer to
him as "the little Serb" So, why are they talking about the mayor
if Weinberg is the real target?
Sorry, T4 just can't admit that this is an act of malice, not an accident or
a case of poor judgment. Attempting to discredit Maddow is plain and simple
misdirection. Maddow's article actually makes a lot of sense, even if the
BusinessInsider doesn't think so. I suspect it will all come out as the
Christie machine is examined from head to tail for more scandals.
The river is just starting to flow. Journalists are turning over every rock
they can find because if the Christie-ans were dumb enough to think they
could get away with the bridge lunacy, there are probably other stunts
they've pulled that could be equally or even more damaging. I just read
somewhere that Christie apparently omitted on his application as a federal
prosecutor his connections to the Mob:
<<Mr. Christie says his relationship to Mr. Fiumara never came up in his
F.B.I. background check after his appointment as United States attorney, and
he never raised it, though he says he assumed investigators were aware of
The fun's only begun for the governor. Christie, it's what's for lunch!
On Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:13:55 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
Well, if you do drive at rush hour or listen to the traffic
reports, delays of 30, 45, even an hour+ to get through the
bridges and tunnels either going into nyc or leaving are not
If it was
Did Obama call the IRS official who took the fifth in front of
Congress and chew her out? Did he fire anybody?
Did he call the state dept employees
that were responsible for security at Bengahzi and chew them out?
Did he hold a press conference and call their conduct appalling,
humiliating, unacceptable? Did he fire them? No, they got six
months of paid leave and then got their jobs back. Did he fire
anyone for Obamacare, hold them responsibe? How about Fast and
Furious? Some of those have been going on for 9 months to years.
In this case, within a couple months, the two PA officials
resigned. Christie fired his deputy chief of staff and told his
former campaign manager who was about to become state GOP chair
to get lost. See the difference?
I strongly doubt they think they did nothing wrong. The fact
that Wildstein took the fifth is pretty strong evidence of that.
Why didn't you post about Mayor Sokolich saying he was never asked
to endorse Christie. That he never spoke to Christie about anything
connected to this. That Christie says he didn't even know who
Sokolich was until all this started. For all we know, it may yet
come out that there was some personal motivation by Christie's
deputy chief of staff from some factor other than that Sokolich
didn't endorse Christie. From all indications, Sokolich was nobody
special in terms of endorsing Christie. There are hundreds of
mayors that didn't endorse Christie. Why the focus to get this one
guy? I guess it's possible that there were other mayors, other
politicians that they went after, but if it was widespread, by
now you'd think there would a line of these other Democrats bitching
Not likely, but let's do it for hypothecation. Also, spell his name right
because Christie supporters will attempt to dismiss your entire argument
over a spelling error. (-:
You're assuming this all hasn't been well-orchestrated and that those fired
aren't in line for well-paid sinecures.
"I am not a crook!" comes to mind. (-: I wonder whether in a state like
NJ, with perpetually bad traffic and Christie having squashed the building
of a new tunnel to relieve the jams, an impeachment effort could gain
traction. I can't imagine what you could do to piss off citizens who have
to drive in NJ traffic more than closing lanes for no reason. I think that
lots of people who liked Christie (me, before this) are now worrying what
he'll do if he ever reaches the Whitehouse. You can't step harder on your
own dick then he just did.
Yes, he's on a tightrope now. If Kelly or one of the others feel they are
being singled out for all the blame, they could easily have some evidence to
exonerate them, like a pocket tape recording or something equally damning.
This river has only just started to flow.
That's exactly right. A vengeful boss, as Christie is purported to be, will
tolerate a culture of revenge because it aligns with his beliefs. Just like
if the boss starts wearing suspenders, suddenly the staff does, too. (-:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 13:12:57 -0500, "Robert Green"
Let's talk about this, going forward.
During the 1948 or so campaign, Nixon called his Senate opponent, Helen
Gahagan Douglas, a Communist, but later admitted to someone that he knew
she wasn't. "That's the way the game is played," he said.
Or the LBJ story where he suggested that they circulate a rumor that an
opponent was having carnal relations with livestock. The aide was
(supposedly aghast) and said you don't really expect anyone to believe
that he is a pig f*****? LBJ was supposed to say he just wanted to force
his opponent to publicly deny it.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:12:57 PM UTC-5, Robert Green wrote:
If they can't spell his name, I say it's highly likely that
they haven't bothered to read much or know the most basic
facts of the matter. That has already been demonstrated here
by some of you libs. As for Christie not likely being totally
innocent, at this early stage of the investigation, you have
nothing to base it on. In the case of Obama's scandals,
like Benghazi, we've had
a year and a half of investigation and we still don't know
what, if anything Obama did between the time he was notified
that the consulate was under attack around 5PM and 8 hours
later, when 4 Americans were dead. You OK with that?
Sure, pile it on and ad lies. No one believed that a tunnel for
*trains* would have relieved traffic jams. There are trains and
train capacity now for those that choose to take them. An example
of the problem is that with the current rail lines that stop in
every town and go through grade crossings, it takes two hours
by train to get from the NJ shore to nyc. I can drive there in
an hour. A new tunnel would not have fixed that.
But that tunnel would have stuck NJ with billions in cost overruns
that would have been paid for by taxpayers here, like me. NY was also
unwilling to pay it's fair share, so Christie killed a bad deal.
an impeachment effort could gain
What a liar. Sure, try to tell us that you liked him before this
and now, before we even have the facts, you no longer like him.
I believe that when you tried to pile on with a 4 year old tunnel
project he canceled. If you like him so much, how the hell did THAT
pop into your lib brain?
I'll bet you still think Obama is swell after:
Fast and Furious
Huge Obamacare screw up
Green Energy failures, where billions were lost that were
handed out to political connected companies?
BTW, who exactly has Obama fired in any of the above?
The classic Obama lib response is: "MY God, I'm SHOCKED
that this went on.", like a scene out of Casablanca.
We're going to have an investigation and
find out what went on here....." The "investigation" drags
on for years and goes nowhere, stonewalled at every step.
In the case of the IRS scandal, which is very similar to,
the Christi scandal in the sense that it had apparent political
motives to punish the opposition, 9 months later,
the DOJ finally found someone to
head the investigation. That lawyer donated $6K to Obama's
campaign. That OK with you? The people screwed by the
IRS, the Tea Parties, are just now reporting that they have
finally been contacted for the first time by the FBI. THAT
is how you libs handle scandals.
are now worrying what
At least it's his own dick and no one died, unlike Benghazi and
Fast and Furious. And so far, no one has been able to show that
Christie has lied. In the case of Benghazi, Obama, Susan Rice,
etc went out of their way to lie and claim that it wasn't a terrorist
attack, just a protest against a movie that grew into violence.
Susan Rice did exactly that on FIVE Sunday news shows.
How's that sit with you libs? You curious as to who wound her
up and sent her out?
Then where are all you libs hiding? Why aren't there 50 mayors
talking to reporters all saying that they were similarly screwed
by Christie or his staff?
You're so quickl to condemn Christie before much is even known,
yet give a long list of Democrats and libs a free pass. We don't
even know for sure that this bridge thing was done for political
purposes. For one thing, the mayor of Ft Lee has stated that he
was never even asked to endorse Christie by ANYONE. Chrisite says
he didn't even know who the guy was. Ft Lee is a little town of
no real importance. There is nothing in the emails
that I have seen that says why the closure was ordered. For all
we know it could turn out that the person that initiated it had
a personal beef with the mayor. Mabye the mayor was screwing
someone's wife. But no need to find any of that
out right? Let's just jump to conclusions.
On Monday, January 13, 2014 3:05:15 PM UTC-5, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
Nonsense. I'd like to see an example where a Republican Congressman
Senator, party official, immediately blamed Obama for what happened
in Benghazi. They did blame him for not calling it an act of terrorism.
And they did blame Susan Rice for going on 5 Sunday talk shows and
claiming that it started as a spontaneous protest outside the consulate
over a movie. Everyone on the ground there at the time had reported
no such thing. They had realtime videos available that showed there
was no protest. It started and ended as a full out attack on the consulate.
So, yeah in the days that followed, they blamed Obama, Hillary, Rice,
for *that* and rightly so. And they continue to blame Obama for still
refusing to tell the American people what, if anything, he did from
5PM when the attack started until 8 hours later, when 4 Americans were
dead. You OK with him stonewalling that? Don't the people have a
right to hear him explain himself?
And they do blame him for not holding anyone accountable for the total
lack of security at the consulate in the hellhole of Benghazi. There
are scores of documents, dozens of witnesses testifying, that have
established how dangerous Benghazi was, how the consulate had been
twice attacked before, how just months earlier terrorists had fired
an RPG at the British ambassadors car, seriously injuring a security
agent and almost succeeding in killing the ambassador. There had
been many similar attacks against similar targets like the Red Cross
in the months before. Al-Qaeda flags were flying over parts of the city.
The consulate had flimsy gates like you'd find outside a nyc townhouse.
There are many cables, emails showing repeated requests for more security
by those at the consulate, including Ambassador Stevens. The state
depts response? They drew down security and had just two US agents
there, relying on them plus a handful of Libyans of dubious qualification
and loyalty. When the trouble started that night, the Libyans left.
And the only weapons there were light arms.
And in the face of that, state dept official Charlene Lamb
testified before Congress that
she believes the security assets at the consulate were adequate for
the conditions on 9-11. You OK with that? She is either a total
idiot or a liar. And after that, she went
on paid leave for 6 months, then got her job back. So, yeah, a lot
of people blame Obama for not holding anyone accountable, continuing
to stonewall those with legitimate questions, and again, rightfully so.
Excellent point. Reminds me of the murder cases of drug dealers. When the
cops retrieve their cellphones they are usually overloaded with post-mortem
calls from frantic druggies looking for a fix. Many times, however, ONE
frequent called will have stopped calling right after the dealer's death.
Why? Because he is the one that killed the dealer and he knows he's not
going to be answering his phone anymore.
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