BARD condensing unit

I have a Bard 48F001 (it's old) outside AC condensing unit.

When I replaced the fan motor I installed it so that air is drawn thru the coils and blows out the back toward the house.

When I did it that way, the ac didn't cool well.

So I called an outfit who came out and ultimately and changed motor direction so the fan blew THROUGH the coils into the yard....and everything has been fine for 2 1/2 years.

Here's the question....

does anyone know WHICH WAY the blades should push air?

Has anyone EVER SEEN a condensing unit that blow air through the coils rather than suck the air through?

THANKS.

Reply to
Michael
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Any I've seen/repaired sucked air from outside through the condenser.

Reply to
Meat Plow

Yes the older models of Carrier & Bryant used to.

When you look at the blade when its running, if it looks like it is scooping up the air it should be alright but now seeing it is another story.

Reply to
Moe Jones

You can tell which way a fan is supposed to rotate by looking at it. Yes those older units with the condenser on one side usually blew out through the condenser. It is very important to mount the fan so the blades are in the proper position to the fan shroud! I always marked the the fan blade or wrote on it for a reference. You might be able to get that information somewhere. udarrell

Reply to
udarrell

Air can be drawn through ( induced draft ) or blown through ( forced draft ) a finned coil. However the Unit case can also form an Air Plenum and condenser air can also be used to cool the hermetic compressor.

Reply to
Telstra

Bard units blow air from the motor to the coils, then out.

Reply to
<kjpro

Do you know that your statement can be understood as either direction?

Reply to
<kjpro

The airflow is dependant on the manufacture&#39;s design.

BTW, the compressor doesn&#39;t require airflow for cooling!

Reply to
<kjpro

I installed a new Bard unit for a customer last year and that unit drew air in from the sides and blew it through the condenser coil away from the AC. If you think about it, that&#39;s the only way that makes sense. The other AC units that blow through the condenser coil are the roof top camper/RV air conditioners that have the white sloped front covers. With sensitive enough instrumentation one could possibly measure the added thrust to the Winnebago. An afterburner would be a nice touch for passing those 18 wheelers.

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Reply to
unclemon

Thnks guys

Had a reply from Bill at Bard who confirmed that indeed, it&#39;s a "blow through coil" system, taking air from the back, cross the motor and pushing out through the coils.

I spent all afternoon telling my HVAC "expert" that -- who was obviously annoyed everytime I brought it up. They wanted to install a new unit for

1877.00 (which hopefully I won&#39;t have to do).

Fact remains though, I cool for about 5 minutes and that&#39;s it. Everything checks out -- freon is good.

Question --

Can a compressor be borderline and show these symptoms?

I thought today I would put the motor back to CCW where it belongs and run a water hose over the compressor to see if it helps? good - bad idea?

Heat exchanger is fine the pressure is where it supposed to be. ??

Reply to
Michael

Do Not run water over your compressor while there is power to the compressor. You can easily short out the compressor and if anyone is close to the unit, they can be hurt.

If you have to run water over the compressor you have a major problem.

When you say heat exchange are you talking condensing unit?

Some of the older condensing units used R-12 or R-22, do you know which refrigerant it is using?

It really sounds that your HVAC people are right in wanting to replace the unit.

Reply to
Moe Jones

"Cools for 5 minutes"... what&#39;s that mean? The complete system shuts down? Just the condensing unit stops running? Just the compressor stops running? System continues to run with no cooling?

"Refrigerant is good"? How do you/they know? Has anything ever been done to the refrigerant circuit?

This unit had a new motor installed (running backwards), then you called a company and they corrected that issue. It&#39;s been running fine for 2 1/2 years.

Now what&#39;s going on with the unit, that made you question it&#39;s operation? You never said in your original post that you were having problems with it. Just that you wanted to know which way the airflow was supposed to flow.

Paul Harvey, TELL US "THE REST OF THE STORY"!!!!! Cause, if everything checks out, you wouldn&#39;t be here.

What symptoms, you haven&#39;t give enough information about your problem to even make a wild ass guess.

The airflow needs to be corrected!!!!!! Then and ONLY then, will ANYONE be able to further diagnose your unit. The compressor doesn&#39;t require water or airflow for cooling purposes. It&#39;s cooled by the returning refrigerant.

"Heat exchanger"? Evaporator (inside coil)? Condenser (outside coil)?

Pressures? Refrigerant pressures? If so, how do you/they know? What&#39;s the superheat? What&#39;s the subcooling? How many amps is the compressor pulling? What&#39;s the RLA for the compressor?

These are just some of the items that your servicing dealer should be obtaining to correctly diagnose your unit.

But first, we need to know the complete story, Clyde.

Reply to
<kjpro

The motor ran the wrong direction for about 30 minutes when it was first installed 2 years ago.

It HAS been running the right direction.

I only asked because the first thing the HVAC guy said yeaterday when he came out that the motor needed reversing.

HE WAS WRONG....end of story.

I have other issues with it but I&#39;ll get to the bottom of it.

End of story.

Why is that an HVAC "expert" (who got me for 300 bucks) is not familiar with the "blow through" coil design?

Albeit, they are not commonplace, BUT --

"a fair question".

and a pisser, I might add.

Reply to
Michael

I did not give you permission to reply to my poast.

heh

Reply to
Meat Plow

Do you know that your statement can be understood as either direction?

Reply to
<kjpro

Why was he there... what was the complaint?

I thought you wanted help?

Don&#39;t know, ask them. Or better yet, ask his boss! And then ask to have a competent tech come back and diagnose the real problem. For free, as you have already paid for it!

It is for horizontal discharge units.

Reply to
<kjpro

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:38:27 -0500, kjblow puked:

Is someone there?

(opens door)

Guess not.

heh

Reply to
Meat Plow

Do you know that your statement can be understood as either direction?

Reply to
<kjpro

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:06:39 -0500, kjblow puked:

Obsesso&#39;s reply thwarted and laughed at.

heh

Reply to
Meat Plow

MP, are you trying to turn this in to AHM?

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Reply to
unclemon

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