Perhaps. I would rather just fill up some containers BEFORE we have a power
outage. I can use our normal water supply as needed. When it runs out and I
need to start using the water in the containers, I know my supply is
limited and may need to go refill them.
My wife & I lived on our sailboat for ten years. The 100 gallon water
tank I built in it filled from the top, exited from the bottom. That
worked because I put in a check valve in a pipe "U" on the top...when the
water was pumped out, the exterior air pressure opened the valve to let
Mine made it to 84, but that is deceiving.
His life really mostly ended 20 years earlier from smoking-related
I think the emphasis on death by anti-smoking efforts is a mistake.
People are prone to say "Well, if I die, I die and that's the end of
it." Instead of death, I'd emphasis the years of invalidism leading up
For younger people, who generally think they're superhuman and immortal,
I'd emphasize the bad breath and body odor.
Here's a quote from "Licit & Illicit Drugs" by Edward M. Becher and the
Editors of Consumer Reports.
Page 217: (describing the outcome of a NYC Syananon's members to give up
cigarettes for economic reasons)...
"...About 100 people left during the six-month period following the ban
and chose possible readdiction to drugs outside Synanon to life without
cigarettes," the Times added.
'With most drugs,' one Syananon resident explained, 'you get over the
symptoms in a few days, a week at most. But with tobacco, we've notice
them for at least six months.' Another, who had personally 'kicked'
both heroin and tobacco, made a comparison of the two even more
startling than Dr Dole's: 'It was much easier to quit heroin than
Thanks for that, it is so sad watching my friends literally killing
themselves and they seem completely incapable of quitting.
When my wife and I go shopping, on the way out of the store we look at
the cartons of cigarettes...typically $75 . Our groceries for the week
generally come out to less than two cartons worth.
For what it's worth, I did mention a second pressure tank in my original
The general idea was to connect two pressure tanks in parallel. When both
tanks were full, shut off a valve to the second tank so it can't drain. If
the power goes out and the first tank is empty, open the valve and you
would have a second full tank of pressurized water.
Of course, the major drawback to this idea is that the water in the second
tank would be stagnant. Not smart for long term storage.
The only way this would really work is if you had some kind of automated
valve system that could alternate between the two tanks. When one tank is
draining, the other could be refilling. When the first tank is drained,
swap tanks and repeat.
As far as I know, no such valve exists?
For now, I'm planning to pick up a couple of five gallon water containers
and store them in the pump house. I'll probably add a little bleach to each
container just to sterilize the water, even though it's really only
intended for flushing toilets. With 1.6 gallon toilets, that would give me
five additional flushes once the main pressure tank runs out. That should
be enough for the several hour time frame I've been trying to plan for.
Someday when I have more money than common sense, I might try the
battery/charger/inverter option. :)
On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:58:03 AM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
I don't see the advantage to shutting off the second pressurized tank and
waiting until the first is empty. Leaving it on, you'd still draw water
from both tanks, get the same amount of water, the pressure would just go
With no valve cutting it off from the system, as described above, it would
not be stagnant, the water would constantly enter and leave it as the
pressure in the system goes up and down. The pressure in both will go from
pump cut-in pressure to cut-off pressure. That means water has to go in and
That's certainly the easiest solution for some extra water.
On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:36:36 AM UTC-5, Harry K wrote:
You really are the village idiot. If you put a second regular tank in
series with the existing pressure tank, you have an extra FULL TANK OF
WATER when the power goes out. One more time, just like your water heater.
Is that empty when the power goes out? If you add another 50 gal water
heater, wouldn't you have 50 gals more water when the power went out?
Same exact thing happens if he adds the extra tank, in series, as I outlined.
I know, you admitted I was right. That you didn't understand what I
meant. But here you are still spreading BS that makes no sense. If you
add a 50 gallon tank, you have 50 gallons more water, just as if you had
ten 5 gallon jugs sitting around.
With both tanks open, you could still have the situation where both tanks
are empty when the power goes out. In that case, you would be in the same
situation as a single tank.
Without a way to isolate the two tanks, it would only increase the capacity
when they are full. It wouldn't help the close to empty situation.
On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:27:33 AM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
Yes, I see your point. The tanks shouldn't be drawing down to totally
empty, before the pump kicks on, but there probably isn't much water
left when the pump kicks on. Whatever is left, with 2 tanks, you'd have 2x
as much left, but I agree that isn't going to be much. You could also put
less charge air in the second tank, in which case it would have more water at all times.
But, IDK why we're even talking about adding pressure tanks. They are
inherently the wrong solution, because half or more of the tank volume
is air, not water. If you just put
a regular tank, ie no air, in series with the existing pressure tank,
it would be full of water all the time. You could get the full tank
of water out of it with a drain valve at the bottom. Or you could have a small tank of N2 and have pressurized water for the house.
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 07:56:55 -0500, Stormin Mormon
The only way to have a sizeable reserve of fresh water when the power
goes out is to have a reservoir in series with the pump that is ALWAYS
full, and continuously exchanged. A gravity storage tank fits the bill
It needs to have an (filtered) atmospheric vent and a float/fill valve
and feed your system by gravity, or an automatic vent that lets air in
to drain it and lets air out to fill it, but does not let water out or
contamination in. - and feeds your system either under pressure or by
gravity when the power is on, and by gravity when it is off. I know
several farms that used either a windmill or a hydraulic ram to pump
well water or spring water into a "water tower" on the farm which
provided gravity feed water to both the house and barns. They had
freezing problems in the winter if the water was not kept running
contiunously - and the ram pump in particular sometimes froze in the
"spring-house". In realcold spells sometimes it was necessary to keep
a lantern burning in the springhouse to prevent freezing and splitting
the pump (the farm where my mother grew up- no hydro up untill the
On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 5:05:46 PM UTC-5, email@example.com wrote:
Agree with that part, which is what I suggested in post #1.
In lieu of the above scheme, he could just use a simple storage tank
in series at or below ground level together with a pump, like one of
those suggested in the RV water supply idea. Boats also use similar.
The boat ones are 12V pumps, intended to run off battery. Have one of
those pumpts plumbed in, together with an inline tank, and you're good to go.
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