Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore, and I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked. This new
Thunderbird isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE. I tried
downloading a service pack from a non MS website, and got some kind of
malware, that really made a mess of my drive, and my slave drive. Ended
up buying a new drive, and I'm in the process of reformatting the drive
I'd been using. Still can't get Outlook Express to work. Lost a lot of
files, data, and thousands of old emails that were either not backed up,
or can't be read with the new email program.
Just reminding y'all to make CD, DVD, and external drive backups of
anything you consider valuable.
You can download lots of stuff from Microsoft for Windows XP. Not long ago
I installed XP off a CD. I did need the COA number for the computer to
About a month ago I donwloaded something for XP from their web page. Forgot
what it was, but it was an update for an older XP part.
I was dilligent about making backups from the days I had a Radio Shack TRS3
computer and the 5 inch floppies.
Now all pix go on a dvd and an external hard drive that plugs into the usb
port backs up the whole computer.
I also have two computers and they both have many of the same files.
My small business accounting machine is still on Dell XP server.
I am still getting automatic system update from now and then. Back up is
automatically done, daily incremental and monthly whole back up onto my
NAS drive with RAID set up. And then Once a year I back up important
files again on external USB 3 drive which is stored at other place.
When I was working I kept a copy of the important stuff such as pic,
downloaded PDF that is hard to locate,and other things at work. Either on a
cd,dvd or the thumb drive depending on the years past.
It is always a good idea to have off site storage if possiable. I would
have it if I was in business. Probably in a safty deposit box and maybe one
at home and one at the office..
One thing I would not do is to put any info on the web that I did not care
who knew I had it. I think there are several places you can use for storage
on the web either small ammouts for free, or pay for large ammounts.
Oh, No, I won't put out anything on web cloud storage. Once in my
working days, a university campus mainframe system took a direct
lightning hit wiping out all data to a point of uselessness. It had
dozens of monster size mass storage subsystems occupying a large floor
For an example operators used to move around on roller blades. Realizing
the extent of system damage we decided to whole system image restore
from a weekly backup kept at off site vault. It took 3 whole days(72
hours) non-stop rstore operations. The system was UPS battery bank with
MG set up. LIghtning strike came down on main AC power buss.
I don't trust cloud storage, as that means someone else can read the
data. With a local external drive, it's not readable by others. As it
happens, I did have two drives in my computer, at the point that I
downloaded the malware (pretending to be XP service pack 3). I lost both
drives. One was able to reformat, the other was not. Both drives, the
data was all lost. Looking back, I ought have disconnected the F drive,
and kept the data safe. Ought to have had all that data on a
disconnected external drive before I went for the "upgrade". Some of the
data had been burned to CD or DVD, and that's recoverable.
Christopher A. Young
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On 7/28/2013 12:24 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:06:50 -0400, Stormin Mormon
I don't get the fascination with cloud storage either. I do see the
point that files are available at any time from any location, handy if
you travel a lot. Problem is, the connections to the internet are not
perfect and not always available. I'd hate to be sitting at either my
home of office computer and not be able to work on a spreadsheet or
revise a letter because the DSL line is out or a storm took out the
For backup, it is probably OK, but so is burning a CD or using a thumb
I had Carbonite when my machine went south last fall.
I do not recommend it. Takes overnight first use and then slows down
computer with constant interference. While it saved my business files,
it did not save music or videos and most importantly did not save my
Thunderbird profile and I lost all old retained emails and addresses.
Now using a Seagate backup drive on new computer.
Or use old technology like real photographs, pencil, paper, and real
books. Seventy five percent of adults prefer real books according to
Old story, possibly even true. Supposedly NASA spent a lot of money
creating a pen that would write in the almost zero gravity of space.
The Russians gave their cosmonauts pencils.
Actually, they still do. They'll discontinue support for XP on April
That's a Rasmussen poll. Rasmussen poll participants trend older.
They're less likely to adopt new trends and new technology than, say,
their grandkids. They probably still watch movies on VHS tape and DVDs
while their grandkids are watching them streamed to their phones and
The move to digital products, including e-books, is huge and is being
driven by demand. Students prefer e-books since they don't have to
actually visit a library to check them out, they can find the
information they're researching very quickly in the book using a
simple search command, and they don't need to lug around heavy
textbooks anymore. Plus, they can be read on most mobile devices.
Basically the same reasons more and more people prefer to buy or rent
digital copies of music and movies instead of buying them in physical
Part of the benefit of old-fashioned text research is that you invariably
learned a lot just looking for something and skimming over lots of material
to find it. I find that though most people can find what they are looking
for on the net but they're not always good at evaluating the quality of that
material. It used to be people would quote Wikipedia and get dissed, but
Wikipedia looks downright scholarly compared to Yahoo Answers or
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:55:28 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:
There is a ton of XP information and support on the web without
needing Microsoft. Win7 and up are very much Android copy cats for
social networking and entertainment media. They are not very friendly
to commerce and industry which is hanging on to XP. Lots of info out
Wipe the disk (I assume you have your data backed up), and reinstall
XP. Outlook, sad as it is, is part of that. It will be just as it was
the first time you opened it. If MS has stopped authenticating new XP
installs (I'd be surprised) there are quite a few pirate applications
out there that will do it without even going on line. You did realize
your XP would be obsolete some day and make provisions, didn't you?
The process going forward.
Get two hard drives. Either new or toughly wiped. XP stashes stuff in
a small hidden partition at the end of the drive and format doesn't
touch that. You can delete all the partitions (FDISK) and recreate
them which will kill Gate's little stash.
Put one as your system hard drive.
Partition, format, and install your OS as per normal. Probably your
install CD will do all that for you.
Install and configure all your applications the way you want it. Not
your data, just runable applications.
When that is to your satisfaction, clone it to the second drive and
put that away. HD Clone is one of several applications that do this.
The free version is intentionally slow, it's an overnight or next day
project, but it gets the job done and the price is right. You can run
it from a floppy (or I think, a USB stick) so you don't need to put it
on your computer. There are other similar programs.
If your drive takes a dump just put in the back up. Replace - don't
add- or the infection might spread. If the old drive if physically
good - just logically screwed up - go through the process to make it
the backup clone. If it's physically toast, buy a new drive and do the
You always have a hot spare ready to go.
If you want a modest sized system there are several pages out there
telling how to install XP to a flash drive. It's not simple because XP
doesn't want to allow that, but the instructions are clear. That lets
you plug your stick into any computer that boots from USB and run it
like a "live CD". And your apps will look and act the same way
regardless of computer. USB sticks are getting cheap enough, several
can be your second and third backup.
Why? You can still get service packs from MS.
Good idea to have them stashed locally too. Think EMP event (or
terrorist hack) that takes out the internet for a year.
Each of my computers backs up a different computer so I can always get
at what I need to fix the one in trouble. Which hasn't happened in
lots of years. Another thing I do is all my install files are on both
a set of DVDs and a backup drive that normally lives in a drawer.
Complete with text files with username, S/N, and various other things
the install will ask for. I can install my whole suite to a virgin
computer from either without recourse to the network.
See above. Good advice but I personally have everything covered with a
triple backup. I learned my lesson long ago when the computer took a
That was long before the last time you told us about losing everything
to a virus problem and advised us to backup. Don't read your own
posts, I assume.
By the way, that virus you got a couple years ago was from a website
that someone had posted a link to and it turned out the website was
compromised to push malware. I got the same thing you did and fixed it
manually after about 15 minutes googling for info. You claimed it
physically destroyed your HD and bought a new one. Stop bitching about
MS (as much as they richly deserve it) and practice safe computing.
I like XP and I ain't changing come hell or high water until it's
unavoidable. I assume computers will divide into personal
entertainment machines and server based commercial operations. That
means the generic desktop will likely cease to exist. Word to the
I assume I will be abandoned and on my own by MS and all the
applications vendors and have provided for that. It has to happen
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