On Fri 01 Aug 2008 08:46:49p, aemeijers told us...
Very true. My parents had an extensive concrete patio that was nearly 50
years old and nary a crack or damage of any kind. I had a similar one that
was over 20 years old in the same condition. This was in NE Ohio where
weather certainly could have been a factor if the patio wasn't properly
OTOH, I concrete would not be my first choice based on appearance. It's
dull and uninteresting looking, unless it's been done by a company who
specializes in patterned and stained concrete.
IMHO, 'properly installed' includes troweled-in (not sawn in green
concrete) expansion joints. deep enough to control where cracks happen.
If it is at the bottom of a 3/4 V groove, who gives a rip about a
Everyone is correct. From the OP writing in asking if 4" of "agrogate" was
proper, I would infer that he/she/it isn't really up to speed on concrete
and all its nuances, let alone contents.
There are lots of things to consider when choosing a patio/walkway, etc:
Motif, weather, drainage, availability of materials, skill, cost, what one
wants in the finished product, etc.
To each his own. For me, I'd do pavers. Concrete is dated, plain, dull,
not hip with the decorating crowd, and one can have lots of big problems
with concrete that will make it look like hell in a short time.
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:00:18 -0700 (PDT), firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Paver maintenance- 30 minutes once a year to kill/prevent weeds.
Concrete maintenance- probably need to seal once a year.
Paver repair- remove paver, replace.
Concrete repair- remove patio, replace.
I prefer the look of pavers over almost any concrete I've seen. There
are some great concrete jobs, but I doubt the OP is about to call one
of the artists who do those beautiful jobs.
I have seen functional DIY concrete work- but never beautiful. Pavers,
OTOH, lend themselves perfectly to 'learn on the job', DIY types.
Landscape cloth just before the pavers will help to keep down the weeds.
There's RoundUp for everything else. And I think anyone with any artistic
ability at all, a tile saw, or at least a brick chisel and hammer, could
come up with a unique design so that when someone asked, "Wow, who did
that?", they could say proudly, "I did." This stuff isn't rocket surgery.
The hardest part is getting the sand in, compacted, and to grade. After
that, it's just put the bricks in place, and even with a pattern or cutting
some bricks(pavers/whatever), it don't have to be exact. If you can draw it
on graph paper, and know anything about a protractor, square, triangle, and
a mechanical pencil, you can make your own design and transfer it pretty
darn close onto the real field.
When I did wrought iron work, I'd tell the customer that the proper viewing
point was across the street. What the neighbor or passerby would see. Once
you back up a bit from any work, the flaws and mistakes blend in unless
they're just terrible.
I'm a big paver fan in terms of price and ease of installation DIY. I
just want to say that the landscape cloth does work, but it's only
good for maybe two years before the infernal pests work their way to
the surface. Be prepared to pulll them out after heavy rains,
carefully separating the pavers with an old flat-head screwdriver so
you can yank out the roots. The lazy way is to pour boiling water on
them, which really does work for a while (and costs a lot less in many
ways than RoundUp).
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