Good Day... I have a B&D Model 3105 Sawzall which requires the speed reducing spider gear replaced. The part is too expensive to buy new so I was hoping someone had a non-repairable saw that would part with the gear. Several different models have the same part. Please send an email if you do. Thanks.
Search terms: Black and Decker, B&D, reciprocating saw, cut saw
No you don't. We just went through this on another group. You have a reciprocating saw, not a Milwaukee brand Sawzall.
Edwin... Your simply moronic! I have already proven to you that the majority of people use the term "Sawzall" generically. Therefore, go away so I can get the part to fix this thing, period.
Skillsaw, But proper indicate would be a reciprocating saw . But the one point not mentioned Milwaukee makes the only Decent Recipr------- what ever saw, the rest are just poor imitations of the SAWZALL
You are just plain wrong, as are others that use the term Sawzall for other brands of reciprocating saw. Just because I chose to use proper terminology, that does not make you or them any less wrong. My mention of it should not affect you ability to get the part so there is no need for me to go away. I like it here so I plan to be here, long after you go away. Your friend always, Ed
Throw it away and buy a Milwaukee. You'll be a lot happier...
Guys...relax.
Was that a Nylon(TM) gear? Those can be a real headache; enough to make a grown man cry. Wipe away those tears with a Kleenex(TM), wash down an Aspirin(TM) with some coffee out of your Thermos(TM). Careful, don't spill any on your Levi's(TM) cuz if it leaks through your BVDs(TM) it's gonna hurt.
If you find a steel replacement gear it will probably come wrapped in Cellophane(TM) and covered with Cosmoline(TM). The vendor might even throw in a Xerox(TM) copy of the assembly instructions.
Good luck.
You're right about all the others, but I think I heard on the radio just last week that Monsanto?? never did trademark "nylon" because they wanted it to become the word everyone uses.
No one cares about my opinion of course, but I think they all have it backwards, about loss of trademark rights. I think the fact that, for example, everyone calls it kleenex proves that kleenex is the first or first well-known, and that Kimberly-Clark? is entitled to trademark rights and that no other corporation can use the term in their advertising for a competing product..
Similarly, the makers of aspirin should still have exclusive rights to use that word, as opposed to other makers of the same chemical product.
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He didn't say anything moronic at all.
Absolutely incorrect. Sawzall ® is a live registered trademark of the Milwaukee Electric Tool Corporation, as it has been since 1970 or so. As such, they have the exclusive right to use the term Sawzall ® and control how it is used. If it was used generically and they did not act to protect their trademark it would have been lost.
This is Usenet. You are in no position to tell anyone to "go away" even if you don't understand trademarks or what a Sawzall ® is.
Try Sears. I needed a new switch for my Makita scms and I found it online at a Sears repair site. It was only $10.
And nobody calls an off-brand paper tissue a "Kleenex" in your house, either, I presume... :)
Or you never went to the drive-in in to get a "coke" which might just turn out to have been a Pepsi?
Chill, man...whether you want to admit it or not and despite Big Red's attempts, a reciprocating saw _is_ pretty much generically known as a sawzall...
That it is a registered TM is only something Milwaukee can protect from actual corporate infringement--they'll have no luck whatsoever in common usage, even if they were foolish enough to try.
Hi Jeff... You missed the previous conversation with Mr. Ed [No pun intended :)]. An Ebay search for - sawszall ("black and decker","b&d")
- had returned 37 matches on Ebay while - "reciprocating saw" ("black and decker","b&d") - only returned 20. Therefore, the majority of people use the "Sawzall" term generically. I don't care that it's a trademark, only that most people will see my part request.
Hi mm... Polyamide (aka Nylon) was invented by researchers at DuPont and you are correct, they didn't register the trademark.
I always said tissue myself.
Usually they'll correct you.
I'm chilled, not to worry.
Actually there you're wrong. You see, if Milwaukee didn't protect their trademark and allowed it to be used as a generic term, under US Law they could and would lose their trademark. Otis Elevator Company lost their trademark "escalator" many years ago because they didn't take action when it became used as a generic term. Since Milwaukee has kept their trademark for 35 years or so, they're doing something right to protect it from generic use. You'll find that other companies like Xerox do their diligence too, if you wrote something in a public document somewhere that referred to a generic copier as a Xerox machine, they would get in touch with you when they found it with a polite cease and desist letter. They have teams of people to watch out for it. Again the law requires them to do this to protect their rights to their own name. Put up a generic Jakes Brake sign, and Jacobs Vehicles Systems will get in touch with you when they become aware of it, etc.
Dupont! Thank you.
Another interesting thing is that it is made from coal iirc. Not oil. We got lots of coal. Maybe they could make auto bodies etc. out of nylon.
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Well Jeff... You have now convinced me that you and Mr. Ed (pun intended) share the same horse suit and take turns as the hind quarters. As stated previously, I don't care about the trademark issue, only that the most people see my part request. Unfortunately, thanks to the two of you, it's buried under all this horse shit!
The Coca Cola company has taken many a restaurant to court for such violations. A big one was the Friendly's chain in New England about 10 or
12 years ago. If you asked for a Coke, you were told something like "we serve Friendly Cola, not Coke, would you like one?" Eventually it because such a PITA that Friendly succumbed and now served Coke.Use the word Styrofoam generically for foamed plastics in the newspaper and Dow Chemical's lawyers will be on your ass too. They have people that search out such violations. And don't as Granny to embroider a Disney character on your kid's T shirt because they will cuff her and cart her off to jail too.
Just because others have slovenly habits does not make it right for others to be that way.
You should thank us for all the publicity you got. Free stuff does not come cheap you know. As for the pun, I've heard it for so many years it is humorous to me when the kiddies use it.
To show the idiocy of this all:
If you need a Sawzall, or a reciprocating saw, what do you ask for when looking for it?
I know the difference, yet when seeking an item, I ask for a Sawzall. The technogeek usually says, yes, we handle Milwaukee Tools, or, we don't have Sawzalls, but have several other brands of reciprocating saws.
Only a doofus or a newbie is lost in such a conversation. Everyone else knows what is being said.
Oh, I forgot to include lawyers and wannabes. They will argue the point ad nauseum.
Steve
Good Grief. This thread sure went to hell fast.... I quit reading all the crap.
Anyhow, Ebay has a "WANTED" page. I am not real fond of Ebay, but it's worth a try.
PS. I have a B&D professional recip saw for years. It was well made. It finally went up on smoke after some 20 years. B&D used to make decent tools, but not anymore.
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