Appliance industry warns....

[Mark Lloyd]

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One thing about LEDs is that with most the light is WHITE rather then the yellow of incandescents.

[gfretwell]

The only reason why they "make some money" is because the government pays all of the collection, sorting and transportation cost. The pittance they get paid for the material at the remanufacturing facility is nowhere near what we paid to get it there.

As I said before, things like metal and some paper, in some places, will make sense to transport but you can test that yourself. Go to a scrap yard and see what they will pay you for a truckload of it.

Then balance that against what it costs for us to actually collect and sort it.

[gfretwell]

You could even pay the collection cost, since we have to do that anyway. Just make the recycler justify the sorting and transportation costs after it gets to the central site, Plastics may be the toughest to justify but glass is a close second. Both need detailed sorting before you have anything remotely useful. Plastics are broken down into at least a half dozen categories and you almost have to read the label to see what you have. At least you can sort glass by color and what it comes from. Bottles are not the same as windows even tho they both might be clear.

[bob haller]

the pittsburghVA management was notified of legionaires disease in the water system. the local head oof the VA did NOTHING, because clearing it up would of cost him his bonus.

a bunch of vets and some staff got sick and died. the jerk head still got his bonus, while what he should of got was a few years in prison...

phoenix VA and a bunch of others cooked the books, to make it appear they were doing a good job. they werent vets ied while waiting years

my dads in phoenix he said it was terrible

[J Burns]

I buy a headlamp brand where they tell you the model of Cree bulb, but not the color. (Cree posts lots of color information for their bulbs.)

My second one, with the wider beam, seemed yellow compared to the first. When I compared it to a full-spectrum light, it was pretty close. Indoors, I like it. It has enough yellow to be cheery, and it shows dirt better if I'm cleaning something.

I'd thought the outdoor light was white, but I guess it doesn't have much yellow. Somehow, that makes it better for identifying an object 100 feet away.

My CFL bulbs are much too yellow for my taste. The package says only "soft white."

[Stormin Mormon]

Most of my LED are distinctly blue.

[gfretwell]

Was good for me. I got $4500 for a 23 year old F150 with about 200,000 miles on it plus a $100 tax credit and $450 for the scrap value of the truck.

Sweet!

[Robert Green]

And have a kitchen wall covered with atomized linguini? (0-: I once tried to clear an old, dirty condensate line in a refrigerator and blew a huge sneeze of dirty black water out of the bottom of the unit and onto the floor and wall.

[Roger Blake]

On 2015-07-21, Robert Green wrote: > so impossible to believe such dishwashers can be created? Cars used to get >

11 MPG and now they get incredible higher mileage out of the same single > gallon of gasoline. Why? Because the Feds pushed the industry to do so.

Utter and complete bilge. What are you, like 12 years old? There were a number of compact cars available in the 1950s and 1960s capable of delivering 20-25 miles per gallon, some of the smaller imports even higher. I've owned some of them myself over the years.

We don't need cadre of armed thugs (which is all that government is) dictating every aspect of our lives. I still use full-flow toilets and shower heads, and in general refuse to follow the dictates of the federal scumbags. They're little more than a criminal gang -- screw the bastards.

[Ed Pawlowski]

The equivalent to that 25 mpg car in the 60s is now 40 mpg.

That full size Chevy Caprice that got 11 mpg is now getting 28 mpg and is not stinking as much as the typical 50/60s cars.

My Sonata 2.0 Turbo will beat the older 10 mpg Cameros in the 1/4 mile and still get 28 mpg.

[Fake ID]

Wasn't that one of the ones they retracted?

I'm reminded of the scene from that episode where they abuse a test subject with a large number of arbitrary recycle bins when I think about how many ways I actually do separate what I discard...

0) Foodstuff-compost barrel where it rot or be flung all over by the crows and ravens 1) Paper,plastic,glass-transfer station, no fee 2) Plastic Redemption Value-recyc center, worth $ 3) Aluminum cans-recyc center, worth $ 4) Diapers (used, not by me)-transfer station, $6/can 5) Batteries-transfer station, no fee 6) Electronics-transfer station, no fee 7) Flourescent light bubs-hazmobile comes twice/year, no fee 8) Motor oil-dump into crick 9) Trash (whatever's left, almost entirely plastic wrap)-transfer station, $6/can

Piece of cake (compost barrel). m

[Robert Green]

Thanks for the sanity check. I don't feel the need to respond to Mr. Blake, who seems to think adults make debating points by first insulting someone. I would say he's got it exactly backwards as to who's the pre-teen. (-:

Has a pretty good recap of how mileage has increased in the US over the last

20 years. This chart shows it graphically:

And while it's true there were some cars like VW's that got good mileage because they were so pitifully underpowered (former Karmann Ghia owner!) the fleet average pre-1975 was in the 11mpg range.

That site also says:

[Stormin Mormon]

I've noted a disagrement or two with Robert Green. He does seem a bit left of myself on a few matters.

And I do agree that the US gov has changed from servants of the people to Our Nations Leaders. Perhaps it was always that way, but recently ever so much more so.

[Stormin Mormon]

You know you're in socialist utopia when someone comes along and insists that you need to use low flow garden hose to fill a five gallon bucket, so as to save water. Compared to a full flow hose, to fill the same bucket.

[Stormin Mormon]

I'm concerned about total weight, and crash worthiness.

[Stormin Mormon]

Or, rinse at the sink to move the toilet solids down the pipe?

[Robert Green]

And before the VA it was going on throughout the whole world.

It's the same old story: When the war is over the veterans are forgotten. Probably no Americans in recent memory got worse treatment that the Confederate vets because the South was so impoverished after the war. I remember seeing the museum curator they often have on "Pawn Stars" talking about how to tell a Confederate wooden leg from the much more elaborate prosthetics used for Northern vets.

I also seem to remember something about the same being true in ancient Europe. It's easy to forget how much the soldiers sacrificed once the war is over. No one had it tougher than these vets:

[J Burns]

I've decided to hang a toilet paper roll in the kitchen.

Grease is a problem washing dishes. The more of it you need to emulsify, the more detergent you need. After wiping the greasy stove top, washing the grease out of the dish cloth was a hassle. Besides, grease seemed to be a big reason I often had to use a plunger to get my kitchen drain up to speed.

I finally got smart and began running to the bathroom for toilet paper. If I first removed most of the grease from the stove with toilet paper, the dish cloth was easy to clean.

A paper towel costs 150 times more than a sheet of toilet paper. It's harder to rip off the roll with one hand, and paper towels fill a waste basket in a hurry.

Washing something under the faucet can be more convenient than using a dishwasher, but dishwashing detergent makes it less convenient and wastes water. You have to distribute the detergent with a wet cloth, and then it's hard to rinse. If you don't get it all off, you may suffer intestinal distress.

The 20 Mule Team company recommends Boraxo instead of dishwashing detergent. They recommend 2 tablespoons in a quart of hot water (It dissolves well at 130 F and above.). They recommend letting it cool and pouring it into an empty detergent bottle.

Instead, I put it in a 1-quart Solo sprayer. It holds pressure indefinitely and sits with the nozzle over the sink. If my hands are messy, it's easy to press the paddle trigger with the side of my hand. The nozzle spreads the solution as a mist.

The clarity of glasses and squeakiness of plates persuaded me that for most items, it's easier and more effective than detergent. It rinses so much better than detergent that I don't even wait for hot water to come from the faucet. It also keeps my dish cloth from smelling. Microbes hate it, but for humans it's about as toxic as table salt.

The shortcoming is that it won't emulsify much grease. If I've been eating fried chicken, I may have to spray and rinse my fingers several times. I added a teaspoon of detergent per quart of solution. Even that little bit of detergent made it harder to rinse off. So when an item has lots of grease, like my greasy fingers, I'll wipe with toilet paper, then wash with a borax spray.

I'm going to find me a pecan stick so I can use a couple of pieces of wire to hang a toilet paper roll. Then I'll have a state-of-the-art toilet-paper-and-borax kitchen.

[Jack Kittoff]

I have the "pleasure" of driving by a congressman's house on my way to work. Often his underground sprinklers are dumping a bazillion GPM on his lawn. Good thing they mandated low-flow shower heads for us "little people" to use.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Sonata has 5 star rating, cars from the 70's have no star ratings.