I was amused to read the MagicJack thread where a couple of posters lamented
that it required leaving on the computer 24/7 - in this day and age of rising
utility costs! Horrors!
I haven't regularly shut down my computers for >15 years.
In my previous, electrically heated home, there were six, 100-watt
incandescent lamps illuminating the play room in the unfinished basement
directly beneath the living room upstairs.
I never chased after the kids, nagging them to turn off these lights EXCEPT
when it was COOLING season. The light bulbs made GREAT heaters (with some
incidental, "waste" light) that kept the living room floor nice and warm.
People that believe a running, but unused computer is particularly wasteful
can't see the forest for the trees. More than the equivalent power
consumption can be offset by removing one load of clothes from the dryer AS
SOON as they are dry rather than letting the machine's timer run to the end.
Hanging-out ONE load of laundry on a clothes line, rather than use a dryer,
will save more energy than is used by the idle running of a computer in its
another one is spending megabucks on a tankless water heater to
prevent standby losses, while all during the heating season the
standby losses help heat the home.
or spending thousands on a front load washer dryer pair......
the added cost of the unit, will never save money during the average
life of the machines. worse the machines are less reliable and cost
much more to repair
That depends on where the water heater is located;if it's out in your
garage,it's NOT heating your house. ("megabucks"???)
and during the summer,if indoors,the tank-WH puts a higher load on the air
Nonsense. A front-loader wrings out the water from the clothes much
more, leading to less drying time. In the winter, a clothes dryer
takes warm air from inside the house and dumps it outside. The less
time it runs, the better. So a front-loader saves you money there.
More importantly, a top-loader is a primitive form of "washing"
clothes, involving flapping an agitator in soapy water, and in the end
wearing clothes with half the wash detergent in them still. A front-
loader actually washes clothes. This is why the $4 machine at the
laundromat is a front-loader.
Nonsense. The early US-made front-loaders had problems, they were beta-
testing at the time. The Asian- and Europe-made ones did not, and the
current US ones are fine too.
you can buy a decent laundry pair washer and dryer for 500 bucks.
a front load pair probably 3 times that. so to ever save any money the
first thing you must do is save a grand on energy water etc.
that takes awhile and a friend who fixes appliances for a living and
owns the business says by the time you get near payback something will
fail on the machine.
maytags use a drum with intergrated bearing, cant just replace the
bearing need a whole drum assembly, over 300 bucks.
of course it kinda depends on utility costs in your area.
and dont forget the extra grand cost could of been invested elsewhere
I addressed that in my posting, I said you dump less of your home's
heated air outside because you run the dryer less. In any event, the
biggest difference is that a front-loader just does a far better job
on the clothes. If you want a worse wash, you can save a lot of money
by just not washing clothes.
Does he count the extended lifetime of the clothes because of less
mutilation in the washer, and complete extraction of detergent?
So what? Do they fail more? A $1000 washer is going to have better
parts quality than the $500 pair special. A lot of front-loaders are
direct drive (no transmission). Less parts to fail.
obviously you bought a front loader, so did my dad. hope it works
great for you.
but when its going to cost half the price oif the machine for a couple
parts you can remember this discussion as it goes to the
What kind of an argument is that? I listed some areas where a front-
loader is qualitatively superior to a top-loader. Do you dispute any
Any parts these days cost an arm and a leg. They used to make that
argument for American vs Japanese cars, and these days you have to
empty a checking account before you buy parts for anything. As front-
loaders as becoming common, the economics of scale will drop the price
of parts. Already the most prominent displays in Kmart, HD, BB, etc.
are the front-loaders.
But you seem to be focusing on the period when US manufacturers chose to
ignore the successful designs used in other countries when they
introduced their units here. They made lots of mistakes and were
essentially selling beta product. Maytag was most notable for this.
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:53:12 -0800 (PST), " firstname.lastname@example.org"
You persist in perpetuating this lie, so I feel compelled to remind
you that people can buy front-loader washer/dryer pairs for $700-800
(as I did). Less than half of what you are claiming, in other words.
You clearly have no interest in changing your energy wasting habits,
but please don't try to stop those of us who wish to make the world a
Can you prove any of these statements or are you just talking off
your .. ehm mouth?
A washer dryer combo forces you to serialize those activities, which
is enough for me to dismiss that nonsense ( i am using one of your
favorite words, see?)
true thats the case with ALL GAS HEATERS, although its not most heat,
since none are less than 50% efficent.
but combustion by products must go somewhere.
sure electric heaters are more efficent, and lack exhaust waste but
the electric costs so much more, gas is more cost effective
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