Any tricks for getting "contractor" discount on supplies

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Well, I was just razzing you, because you noticed that the other guy repeated repeated repeated himSelf 3 times. :-) Now, I'm going cross country skiing and pretending I like it because the GF won't stop nagging me unless I go.
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LOL,,ok,,I like it here again..Whoever said "this group rocks" hit it right on the money..
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I was in business for 17 years and THIS is the real side of it!!!! and here is more!What about sick days we never get paid for, no Holiday pay, Hey, " If I'm not happy with your job I'm not paying " customer, and they really don't pay you. Other things are If people don't like your work and you try to take them to court, The court cost is more than the whole job. Oh I forgot I pay for my own company truck. I own my OWN stock also. lol I could keep going but I don't miss it that much to keep on! I am working at Lowes as a sales specialist now!
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Your right it's not just Contracting it a lot of buenesess large and small. This is my faovrite line " you have my money wehere is my service?" I came up with that after buying window from Home Crapo
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I agree with most here who believe you are evil. You want something for nothing.
Also, you are way too quick to condemn everyone but you to minimum wage for life.
I will pray for you.

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...snip rambling diatribe...
Regarding the subject question the "trick" is to be a contractor.
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Nathan wrote:

Just go to the county office building & file a d/b/a "Nathan's Construction".
There. Now you are a contractor. Go to Lowes & get the 50% off.
Rob
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HAHAHA successful trolling!
Actually, In all due respect, you guys are probably the good guys and if all the contractors were like you, the world would be a better place. You guys are volunteering your time to help DIYers like myself out. I applaud that and wish you all the best.
But in my defense, I have had bad luck with contractors...a lot of people have, thats why there are stories on the news telling people to always verify contractors and check their past work. I know it isn't just contractors, it seems like most people are pretty scummy. Very few people actually do live up to their word. I always try to be honest and straight forward, maybe I have a big sign on my head that says young rich yuppie that makes people want to take advantage of me. I do my honest work and live reasonably. I can only afford to take a vacation once every few years or so, so I am no rich boy.
As an example, I have had a couple of gardeners. I was willing and happy to pay the money, but they always slacked off and never finished what they agreed to. If thats the case, I am willing to save the money and do it myself. I know the job is done better and I get some exercise.
More of a direct example for you guys. I called 8 contractors to get estimates to replace the tub. 1 said that he was too busy and couldn't handle it. I RESPECT that and would probably give the guy a call in the future if I find something beyond my capabilities. 5 of them said they would be there...I took time off work and they never showed up. My time is money too. I will NEVER call those guys again. One guy made it a point to say that his time was money and to make sure that I was there. He even called the day before to check and the day of the appointment. When I give my word, I will be there, so I didn't like his constant nagging. Granted he probably had the reverse of my experience. Two others came as agreed but several hours late. Only one guy felt decent, but he was also the highest bid. Maybe $5k is about right to replace a tub, but it seems alfully high when the 3-piece tub only cost $300 at HD. A day to demo and a day or two to put things back. When he provided an itemized pricing and I saw $500 for the permit and a week to demo, I knew he was lying somewhere and I decided against him.
I decided it was worth it do do the job myself. In the process I learned a heck of a lot more about electrical work and tiling and plumbing. By the way I was able to demo the tub in a few hours, so 1 week is a gross over-exageration. I also upgraded to a jacuzzi tub and added a sub-panel in the garage, all for about $2k. Would I do it again...I don't know If I know that I could have a contractor do the job as well as I did, I would probably pay the $5k. If I expect to see the same garbage workmanship that I have seen from the home builders, I certainly would not. How do you know who is going to do the good quality work?

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says...

An analogous news headline recently -- at an industry convention, auto sales people agreed one of their biggest problems is that customers aren't truthful with them. I must say I was shocked, just shocked, to read that.
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What do you do for a living? It must be something embarrassing. I've asked twice and you refuse to answer. Are you on permanent disability because you got scared by a hornet when you were 8 years old?
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Actually I am an engineer...you know the anal retentive type that likes to over-engineer things to make future enhancements easier. Didn't I say that I was an engineer in the original post? I was tired and a bit grumpy when I wrote that first post.
I get a bit ticked off whenever I have to fix anything in the house, it seems like the builder cut every corner imaginable...I am surprised the house passed inspections. I'll wager the building inspector was getting his palm greased by the builder to look the other way. I have to change out much more then I should to be able to fix/upgrade anything. Houses should be built to be easily maintained in the future. I mapped out a schematic of the house and all the electrical circuits...1/3 of the house is on one circuit. There is no room to add any extra outlets and still be safe. Every room should be on an individual circuit. One room can have 3 different circuits in it...that is very bad engineering.
gees, just assume the worst because someone has a bad perspective and a stereotype of a group of people...HAHAHA

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OK. An engineer. If you make more than $24,538.92 per year, I think your profit margin is too high. I know it's an arbitrary number, but what the hell? This whole thread's about arbitrary numbers, right?
RIGHT?
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Joe,
I never said that you guys should be living in the poorhouse. But I know most contractors have good times and bad times, there is never a steady flow of work. I have had to hire people to fix things before. I once paid some plumber $1000 for a job that he finished in a hour and only paid $50 for parts. That gives him a wage of $950 an hour. Add in his time to drive there and the next job, that still puts his wage at $500 an hour. One job like that a week and that guy is set.

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Translation: You hired the wrong guy. And by the way, I'm not a contractor. Some restaurants squirt a cute border of sauce around a plate and charge $28 for the entree. Others charge $14.95 for the exact same dish, without the squiggle and the waiters pretending they're from Paris. You don't whine about the expensive restaurant because you picked it out.
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"Set"? On a gross income of $52K per year? Upper thirties, at best, after taxes and expenses... and you think that's "set"??
I don't believe you're an engineer. I think you might be a college kid studying engineering, putting yourself through school by working part-time at Starbucks. I can see where a naive college kid might imagine that a gross income of a thousand dollars a week is a lot of money -- but anyone really employed full-time as a professional would never make that mistake.
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Please excuse the rambling nature of my post but please read it all. It could lead to some good discussion
This was in response to someone complaining about how much a repair cost (HVAC or Plumbing). It is rambling, and I am not going to go back and correct my grammar, sorry. I hope I get some of points across.
Unless you want to deal with a company who will be gone in 1-5 years, you will pay more to get a job done properly, and have a company stand behind their work. You have to consider what is the overhead of that company. What is the national average time it take to perform that task. For an above average shop certified techs, clean new trucks, ongoing training, planning on longevity in the industry, purchase of all new tools and gadgets to keep up with the new and more complex machinery, lawyers, accountants, consultants, insurances, taxes. Out of an 8 hour day we may only be able to collect for 4- 6 of them. How many families is the owner of that company responsible to feed and insure.Wait we need to advertise $2-10,000 per month. Licenses, Trade organizations, Chamber of Commerce, Lease/Mortgage, utilities, Cell Phones $800/month, survive during seasonal slow times (overhead doesn't change), You notice I neglected to put the owner/general manager/ manager of every hat in business, did not have a salary in there. Trust me the best tech make more than we do for quite a while. We are trying to make a 5-10% net profit at the end of the year. Most Companies out there make less than 1-3%. Most companies making that small net will fail with in 5 years.
The average wage of an above average technician is $20-30/hr + about 28% for taxes and insurances, plus about $6/ hour family health insurance. A company with over three trucks on the street requires at least one full time person to run the office $15-20/ hour. Hopefully she has bookkeeping experience, if not (sometimes if she does) you will need someone to do the books at least once per week, another $100/week. We have a drastic shortage of trained personnel in our field, despite these wages. In addition we need extremely knowledgeable, computer literate, clean, and organized personnel. Most of our employees make more than alot of college graduates.
I hope I am getting my point across. There are so many hidden costs, that the customer doesn't see or have no fathomable knowledge of having to pay. And lets admit it, the customer has to cover all of the costs.
..and if you use a guy who is doing it on the side, it is really wrong on a couple of notes. Does he have the insurance and license to perform work on your you. I know he is a freind or friend of a friend, What is going to happen when you have to sue him for burning a aprt of your house, or falling through a ceiling, or flooding your basement. What happens to you if he breaks a hand or foot while working in your house, and can't work for 6 weeks and your work is half done. Where is that guy going to be when it breaks down. How many of the parts he is using are stolen from his employers vehicle, what kind of a warrantee can he give you. what kind of inferior equipment is he using, because that's all they sell to moonlighters. There also companies that do business like this. They lack the advanced training they need now a days to keep current with the new developments in our industry. You would be shocked if you knew the amount of repairs we have to go on to fix improperly installed or set-up equipment. These are the guys that will bid $1-2000 less on installations, and the ones who can't go back to fix it when it breaks.
Do you know how much it costs to make a hamburger, or a cup of coffee? It would probably knock your socks off if you knew the net profits on that stuff. How about new cars. How many hours do really spend in your cars? How long do you keep it, how much did it cost? Does the dealership send someone from their establishment to fix or maintain it, you have to drive it to the dealership or repair person. What kind of net profits do you think they are making.
Compare that to your home comfort system. You or someone in your home is with your system almost 24/7. It costs 1/2 to a third of what it costs to purchase or maintain as your auto did. Yet you want to skimp on costs, you want the least amount of health saving accessories if any, you don't want to invest on Comfort Issues that can be done once and improve the overall quality of life for everyone in the home. By the way the Home Comfort System will last 5-10 times longer than that new car you bought. I welcome any debate about what I have just said. Keep it in debate rather than attacks and look forward to discussing this with one and all, but I will PLONK you if you just act like jerk
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Good post, Bob. You made many excellent points. I used to try to explain many of the same points you made to customers who questioned my prices... I now say "How much would YOU charge ME to leave your wife and kids at the dinner table or the family room, get in your car, drive to MY house, go into MY basement, and stick your head into MY furnace and fix it??"
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How about the people who can't spare the 3 minutes it takes to shop vac 20 years' worth of cobwebs and spider eggs off the pipes they want a plumber to work on?
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:22:10 -0500, "Bob Pietrangelo"

This is a very self-serving bunch of information. No customer needs to know any of it. They have a job to be done, and they can choose whomever can do it competently, and at the best price. All of your details are the business of the contractor, and if he can't manage them, then he goes out of business. That is the nature of business.
My community has several very competent plumbers, electricians and carpenters who find no need to overcharge. As a result, they get all the business that they can handle. People know that they will be charged a fair price, so nobody hesitates to call them. These guys don't get rich, but they make a very comfortable living. One of them doesn't even have a yellow-pages listing. The word-of-mouth recommendations fill his schedule.
...and you can plonk whomever you wish to plonk. Nobody cares who you plonk.
Greg
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Plonk!!
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