Builder grade anything is short lifespanned and a lot of the time are
undernourished to begin with. If your building a new house.. Don't let
your general contractor select the HVAC contractor or the the equipment.
Most HVAC Contractors that follow tract housing put in shit and are
underaid and seldom are there for you when the equipment takes a shit.
I can't begin to tell you how many warranty issues I have had to resolve
for these assholes that install and run. Someone mentioned Rheem in
another post. I ran into a sour newer unit of Rheem. Rheem asked me what
I would suggest.. I suggested a complete replacement and that Rheem pay
me my normal install fee. They promptly did just that! So I guess their
warranty program is Good. Customer is happy and I got paid standard
contract price. Customer told me that Original installer charged
a lot less and didn't bother with an inspection sticker. Cheaper is not
Years back, Rheem went from a rectangle shape to square that had problem
with drainage holes in the heat pumps. The problem only showed up when they
were installed directly on the pad, causing the coil to get crushed. If they
were raised on blocks, there was no problem. Typical example of a good brand
and poor installation. Maybe he doesn't like them because he's the one who
installed them wrong.
I've seen some of those old ones that were set right on a cement slab. Over
20 years old. Compressor went (not worth replacing). Pump down the unit and
then pick it up to move it and the coil stays on the pad! Whole bottom
They're pretty tough cookies now. As I said before, I installed on in my old
house (my father-in-law lives there now) back in '92 and it' still going
strong. And, yes, there are a lot of them out there still (and Ruuds) that
were installed in the mid 80s that are still cranking away.
Haven't seen too many 20 year old Goodmans....
We'll all just have to agree to disagree....;-]
There are certain people on here who have nothing positive to say about
anything, and you can disregard what they say. They hate home owners, and
will go out of their way to misinform them. If you want to learn who they
are, I suggest you start by going to the 'alt.hvac' newsgroup and reading
the thread entitled "ALT.HVAC KILL FILTER/FILE Rev 1.0.3" Then read some of
the posts written by the people listed.
"Dick" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
I thought there were some differences, but there aren't. We received quite a
few variable speed air handlers this past year that had the Braynt logo on
it. Carrier sent us a box of the Carrier ones to replace them (the plastic
logo, not the whole air handler).
I remember when Heil was the workhorse of the industry. Especially the A/C
units (the oil furnaces sucked!). Those suckers would never die! Especially
those horseshoe shaped ones that you wouldn't know what logo was on them
until you got right up on them. Could be Heil, Monkey Wards, Sears,
Whirlpool. Then they came out with the cube shaped ones that turned into
rust buckets just like the Goodmans.
Goodman and Carrier are in the same chain of corporate structure. But
are still somewhat independantly manufactured. In fact Carrier and
Goodman are the only units that reach the 95% plus requirement for the
new tax break that came into being Jan 1, 2006. Others will soon be
there. By the way I see Johnstone supply broke Lennoxs hold on selling
Yes Heil has turned into a white elephant over the last 15 years or longer.
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