Almost Half Of All Americans Support Domestic Surveillance Drones

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==================================================== Almost Half Of All Americans Support Domestic Surveillance Drones
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Infowars.com Sept 28, 2012
Close to half of Americans say they are in favour of police departments deploying surveillance drones domestically.
According to a survey conducted by The Associated Press and The National Constitution Center, 44 percent support the idea of police using unmanned aerial vehicles to track suspects and carry out investigations.
Only 36 percent said that they “strongly oppose” or “somewhat oppose” police use of drones, according to the survey.
The poll also found that only one third of Americans say they are significantly concerned about their privacy being eroded by the adoption of drones by police forces throughout the country.
Thrity-five percent of respondents said they were “extremely concerned” or “very concerned” when asked if they believed that police departments’ use of drones for surveillance would impact their privacy.
Almost exactly the same number, 36 percent, noted that they were “not too concerned” or “not concerned at all”, while twenty-four percent were neutral on the issue, saying they were only “somewhat concerned” about a potential loss of privacy.
FAA documents recently obtained and released by the Electronic Frontier Foundation have confirmed that the roll out of domestic unmanned drones will, for the most part, be focused solely on the mass surveillance of the American people.
Furthermore, thousands of pages of FAA experimental drone flight records that were obtained by the Center for Investigative Reporting (CIR) detail just how complicated and risky it would be to operate thousands of unmanned arial vehicles safely without spending billions of dollars.
Following intense lobbying, almost exclusively by defense contractors, Congress recently passed legislation paving the way for what the FAA predicts will be somewhere in the region of 30,000 drones in operation in US skies by 2020.
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They have been using police helicopters ever since I can remember. What is the big deal? Sounds like the drones would be cheaper...
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Bill wrote:

Police helicopters only go up into the air AFTER (or WHILE) a crime is in progress - to support ground operations.
Remotely-controlled drones will be used (mostly) to snoop around and look for evidence of criminal activity.
When you give someone in authority (like police) a hammer, pretty soon everything starts to look like a nail.

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Well I am not a criminal, so have no problem with that.
Note many businesses like Walmart have cameras all over the store and parking lot. No problem with that. Actually they frequently catch thieves who rip off people in the parking lot or people who damage other people's cars.
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Bill wrote:

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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"First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

close enough, not that it matters to Bill, but according to the Martin-Niemöller-Foundation the text is as follows: First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
In the US the quotation is more commonly known as:
First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
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says...

Just wait. Something will be invented to see thru the walls of your home and spy on you. Stop the drones, now!!!
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That's already been addressed. The Supremes have noted that you can't use infrared thermal imaging (albeit from a chopper) as a way to get an arrest or a warrant. Next!
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In wrote:

You think that simply because some government action has been found to be illegal by the courts, the government will stop doing it?
How quaint.
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wrote:

They will still use it to spy on you, get it????
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I suppose it's the "47%".
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Earl wrote:

And?....
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wrote:

buy, equip, maintain, and even staff than choppers are you?
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The cops will sit on their fat arses in the office instead of being on the streets. Safer for them?
More taxpayers money wasted.
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Kurt Ullman wrote:

(put a space or blank line between what you're quoting and your response to make it more readable)

This essay discusses the effectiveness of routine helicopter patrols:
http://www.ukessays.com/essays/sociology/police-helicopter-patrols.php
The emphasis of the various studies mentioned in the essay is to measure the effectiveness of the routine helicopter patrol as a crime *prevention* tool. Given the facts that helicopters are very expensive to operate (even compared to fixed-wing aircraft) it's not clear how many US police departments operate routine helicopter patrols today.
The essay mentions there are more than 500 police agencies operate over 2000 helicopters worldwide. I couldn't find anything mentioning the numbers in the US, but a ballpark figure would probably be 1000 police helicopters (50% of the global total).
I would guess that only the largest cities in the US operate routine helicopter patrols, and probably only along major highways as they perform traffic enforcement duties (looking for speeders, erratic or agressive driving, etc).

The idea of the cop on patrol is nice, but most likely cops go from one call to another, with little time in between to simply patrol.
And I have to wonder how effective a drone helicopter would be at night as a crime deterrant or even a crime-discovery / observation tool. The safe operation of these drones at night (VFR) is also questionable.

Are you daft enought to think that police departments would REPLACE their existing helicopters with drones?
The 30,000 drones expected in the air by 2020 will be IN ADDITION to what the police already have.
And what do you think 30,000 drones will cost, compared to 1,000 manned police helicopters used (mostly) on a contingency-basis today?
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Police Man wrote:

FLIR
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Big-ass spotlight.
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BS ... well in Houston, Texas that is !!!
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On 9/29/2012 10:48 AM, Bill wrote:

Except you are trying to discuss it with schizophrenic name changing home guy...
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