aioe or ?

I just changed from a pay news server to a free aioe.org. I am limited to 25 a day, and that's fine, as I've been trying to cut down on that, as well as a few other things.
However, I have been receiving error messages, and messages that go to my outbox, and are not sent directly.
Should I be considering another FREE (!) (keyword free) way of accessing usenet?
Steve
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Steve B wrote:

You should post the error messages. The most basic issues I can see happening is:
1) posting to more than 3 groups (can't do it - 3 is the limit) 2) posting to a combination of 2 or 3 groups where one of the groups is moderated 3) posting to 2 or 3 groups where one of the hierarchies doesn't allow for cross-posting to a different hierarchy 4) trying to post any sort of file attachment (even maybe a .sig) 5) your computer's time or date (or time-zone) could be (way) off. 6) your usenet client could be trying to login into the server (not needed - turn that off)

I take it that they're just sitting in your outbox?
Make sure your port settings are port 119, no authentication / no encryption.

I've been using AIOE for 5 years. It's a solid server and my 10-year-old usenet client (Netscape communicator 4.78) has no problems with it.
The post that you made (that I'm responding to) seemed to work ok... ?
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Mostly, it's posting too many posted lines.
Guess I need to observe the learning curve with this, and learn a little better netiquette.
Anyone else up to the task?
Steve
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Steve B wrote:

Yes. Home Guy advised you "should post the error messages" and you respond with no error message text.
You assert "it's posting too many posted lines" and no one has any idea what that means.
What IS the message you receive? What newsreader are you using?
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It reads very much like "too many lines posted" but I can't remember now.
I've had the same problem. AOIE just refuses to post messages and drops some pretty cryptic error messages. As a former SW developer I know it's frustrating when end users don't remember error messages verbatim or the values in a screen hex dump (sarcasm alert!) but only the very well trained ones do. (-:
-- Bobby G.
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Un, uh, I am using OE, and aioe.org. I shall attempt to cut and paste the error message, or if that is not possible, to type it from one window to the other, just for your satisfaction.
Steve
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Steve B wrote:

You mean quoted lines?

I frequently point out when someone has been lazy and/or inconsiderate by dragging the entire thread into their replies by full-quoting reams of material - and then adding a trivial amount of new text at the end.
If the error really is "too many quoted lines" - then it's an error that I didn't think about - because it's one that I never get...
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Go fuck yourself

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Steve B used improper usenet message composition style by full-quoting AND top-poasting:

Real classy there Steve.
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On 4/10/2012 6:22 PM, Steve B wrote:

You get that when you make a brief comment in response to a lengthy message and incorporate the full original message in your reply. When you do that, the majority of your message body consists of text that has been posted once (or more) already by the previous poster(s), with only a little new content at the end. That is poor Usenet etiquette and thus violates Aioe's posting rules.
If you are going to make a brief comment to a lengthy message, trim that message down to the relevant paragraph(s) in your reply. If you don't, you will get the "too many lines" error message when you attempt to post your reply.
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AW yoo tawkin' tuh me?
There are many here far more guilty than I.
-- Steve
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On 4/11/2012 9:10 AM, Steve B wrote:

But if they're not on Aioe, it's not going to be a problem for them. It's Aioe that objects to it and will flag you if you do it. I'm on Aioe and have been flagged for that several times. No big deal, I just delete more of the quoted text and hit send again. When it meets Aioe's criteria, it posts.
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Kinda figured that, and the 25 posts a day makes me think of what I want to get involved in, and what I don't. I am getting very busy now with some projects, and I really am not spending a lot of time in NGs. On the Internet, yes, just not in NG's.
Steve
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Steve B wrote:

I had a quick look at all my sent posts and I seem to make between 5 and 15 posts a day (that includes posts I make to other groups besides this one).
The odd day I see 20 posts.
If you think that's going to be a problem, it's rather trivial to open up a browser window to your modem or router's administrative page and tell the device to disconnect and reconnect your internet connection. That will usually give you a different IP address than the one you just had, and you can resume posting to AIOE (up to the 25-post limit) again.
AIOE does not count the number of posts based on your posting-identity - but on your IP address.
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Hell Toupee wrote:

While that is all true (and especially that if you're going to quote ANYTHING from a previous post in your reply - that you should quote only what you are specifically replying to); the AIOE server doesn't have any awareness of the amount of previously-posted text that you're including in your reply.
What AIOE is looking at is the number of lines in your post that begins with the quoting-character - which universally is > greater-than character.
I believe that if the ratio of lines with vs without the > character is above some threshold, then your post is rejected.

It may be "too many lines" or (I would think) "too many quoted lines".
And yes -> replying to a post that was originally made to more than 3 newsgroups will result in an error. In that case, you must decide which group(s) to remove from the distribution to bring the number down to 3 before you hit the Send button.
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On 4/10/2012 6:17 PM, Home Guy wrote:

What he said re: news.aioe.org
I've also an account at news.eternal-september.org; it's roughly equivalent altho does require a login pw the out-of-pocket cost is the same.
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On 4/10/2012 7:04 PM, Steve B wrote:

eternal-september:
http://www.eternal-september.org /
You need to get a user name and password but it is not as restrictive.
I only use aieo when e-s gets quirky.
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91.223.220.236 119
I just found this free server the other day. I don't think you can post,tho. Alternative is to buy the "blocks" that Astraweb and a few other offer.
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<stuff snipped>

A lot of it is super-techie gobbledegook. The important parts are:
<<Each IP address is authorized to post 25 messages per day and the posting rights are suspended for 24 hours if more than three messages are rejected in a day.>>
That means if you go over limit and keep hitting "send and receive" more than three times (who doesn't when they see the message hasn't left the outbox?) you get suspended for a day.
<<Each post must be sent to less than three groups (crosspost) and each one can include at most three followup groups. >>
If you reply to a message that lists three groups or more (some of AHR's post list 5 or more) you get an error message. Try three times and you get a 24 hour time out.
<<Maximum allowed size is 32 KB per article and 2 KB per header. Only two concurrent connections per IP address are allowed and 400 connections per day are accepted from each IP address.>>
Check your messages too many times or log on from too many computers and you guessed it: you're suspended for 24 hours.
It's probably important to note that they're not being mean or cheap. They are trying to control the idiots that use Newservers like AIOE to spam Usenet. I don't know if they still use "banlists" but AIOE has cut off access to entire groups that "don't behave." I think we're trying hard to get on that banlist.

Given that the entire newsgroup seems to have started burning like Rome under Nero, maybe it's good to keep one foot in the real world in the springtime and avoid the flames. Guys are butting heads to show off to the females. I think that's Jennifer and Norminn. (-: Hey you two, find any potential mates?

You're welcome.
-- Bobby G.
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