Accidental use of water and water company?

[Charlie Morgan]

People with a sense of humor were easilty able to see it was sarcasm.

Poor baby.

[bamboo]

[Edwin Pawlowski]

Someone asked about the 60,000 gallon loss of water we had. It was a flush valve in a bathrrom in a warehouse that is not used. No one even went into that roomf or a long time.

[trader4]

My buddy spoke to the water company. They said they made a note in his record of the event and that when he gets his bill, if it's higher than normal to contact them and they will adjust it, which is what they do in cases like this. Not clear exactly what adjusting it means, so he'll have to wait and see.

Meantime, yesterday was a wasted day. He got hold of the landlord first thing in the morning. Nothing was done, because her hack handyman says he couldn't get in the condo, even though he has before and no one has changed the locks.

Interesting side question. The hack she has is totally incompetent. I've seen his work. An example of how he fixes things is to smear joint compound over any cracks, holes etc, then paint over it without any sanding. He's done this all over the place. And the areas he paints are just the patch areas. He's too lazy to do any sanding or paint an entire area, like a small bathroom ceiling, to make it look right.

So, he's gonna take a look at the water heater. For those that think the tenant is responsible for a lot of things, what should the tenant do about who replaces the water heater? Is the tenant responsible for making sure any required permits are pulled? Should they demand a licensed plumber be called? Or should they just let the landlord's hack do it, if that is what they intend to do?

[Bart Byers]

Once a month the reader can be seen walking down the street and writing the reading from each reader. A reading approximately 12,000 gallons high would mean more than one digit was misread. As soon as I heard about the high reading, I checked the meter. The usage since that reading was consistent with historic usage.

[Pete C.]

Usage based on the quantity listed on the bill, or the meter readings? Do the actual reported meter readings before during and after the mystery bill "add up"? If all readings subsequent to the mystery one show the 12,000 gal from the jump then either the water went through the meter to somewhere, the meter had a failure or the meter was changed.

Anything like a water softener that could have a back flush valve get temporarily stuck and dump a lot of water unnoticed? Over 30 days 12,000 gal could be as little as .27 gallons per minute. Over a 7 day period it's like 1.2 gpm so a back flush valve stuck on a weekly cycle and freeing the next cycle could pretty easily dump that much.

Pete C.

[TheNIGHTCRAWLER]

Hehe. It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, dumbski.

How about that cite on pulling a permit for replacing a light switch and receptacle, fool?

You do have one, don't you?

[Oren]

He did not pay, dumbski.

When does school start, dumbski? You must be the first generation to m*******te sitting up-right.

Sincerely,

Oren

[Edwin Pawlowski]

Now this was fun

Permits Required

No person shall install, alter, repair, replace or relocate any electrical material, appliances or equipment without first having obtained a permit for the specific work to be performed.

WHEN IS AN ELECTRICAL PERMIT REQUIRED?

A person, firm or corporation shall not erect, construct, enlarge, add to, alter, repair, replace, move improve, remove, install, convert, demolish, equip, use, occupy or maintain a structure or building, service equipment or cause same to be done without first obtaining a permit from the Public Works and Parks Department.

[TheNIGHTCRAWLER]

Are you calling him a liar, retard?

"The water department did come back to verify the reading since it was unusual, but they sent the bill and we had to pay it. "

Or are you just stupid?

How original! Did you make that up all by your little self? Do you think it's a Usenet first?

[TheNIGHTCRAWLER]

You retards are easily entertained. Was it as much fun as answering spammers?

*An electrical permit is required before any new electrical wiring and/or equipment is installed or before any existing electrical wiring and/or equipment is altered.*

A switch and receptacle DO NOT fall under this cite. They are "devices". Did you not know that, dumbski?

Strike one!

Electrical Permits Required

No person shall install, alter, repair, replace or relocate any electrical material, appliances or equipment without first having obtained a permit for the specific work to be performed.

Again, no mention of "devices".

Strike two!!

No mention of "devices", dumbski, but they seem to have everything covered anyway.

So you found ONE cite from bumfuck Watauga!

Good boy.

Pat yourself on your dumb ass and be sure to get a permit anytime you want to change a switch or receptacle.

[Edwin Pawlowski]

Exactly. Now who is the dumski? I told you it existed but nooooo, you said otherwise. Fool

[TheNIGHTCRAWLER]

You are. Only a dumbski would get a $35 permit to replace a 50 cent switch and a $6 GFCI. Only a dumbski would advise somebody else to do so, fool.

But you got that spam jihad going on for you, dumbski. Good luck with that.

[Edwin Pawlowski]

Oh, I have a fan club. How nice. You can follow me around like a little puppy dog and make cute little nasty comments. Oh, you must make your mother proud.

But true fans just admire their idol. I never advised anyone to get a permit. You made that up in the nightcrawler brain that runs along your flexible spine.

[TheNIGHTCRAWLER]

Yes, your anti-spam work is quite inspiring. Your electrical advise is a bit feeble-minded.

I don't need your approval to do anything, fool. (You sure are full of yourself). You're not going to cry, are you?

Fool, you wrote: "Yes, it may require a permit." That's awful close to advising somebody to get a permit to replace a switch and recepracle.

The correct answer was/is, "No, you don't need a stinking permit to replace a switch and receptacle". Do you see the difference between the two statements? One was made by a pussy. Ask your wife to help you locate your testicles. I'm sure he will be happy to help.

[Bart Byers]

The meter readings I made after the high bill were consistent with the reading on the bill and convinced me there was no continuing leak. I wasn't shown old bills, but they said their monthly usage had always been consistent.

They had no water softener. Their heating system used air. Indoors they had a washing machine, a kitchen sink, and one bathroom. It's a small, quiet house. They would have noticed running water.

The soil under the house was dry. Outside they had two taps with 1/2" vinyl hoses for rinsing. I think I would have noticed a wet area or lush grass if 12,000 gallons had run from a hose.

Several months earlier, the town had hired a contractor to move the meter from the street side of the sidewalk to the yard side. I suppose the meter reader could have supplied false readings for several months so the shocking bill would not be associated with a meter change.

This town has about 200 voters. The bill comes early in the month. At noon on the 25th a $65 penalty is due. The bill and penalty must be paid in cash even if the resident has paid for 30 years without bouncing a check. The meter reader pulls meters on unpaid accounts at noon so people will pay immediately. With cash required and a noon deadline, it's ideal for skimming; to determine how much cash was collected, an auditor would have to know exactly what time each account was paid.

A neighbor didn't realize his bill was unpaid until he saw his meter being pulled. The town clerk said they had neglected to send him a bill, but because he was ten minutes late, he was still responsible to pay the bill and the penalty in cash. Another time, the reader came to his door at noon on Christmas Eve. He said they were pulling meters a day before the deadline because it was Christmas, but my neighbor could avoid the hassle if he paid the reader the bill and penalty in cash on the spot.

I think officials have been robbing water customers for many years, but I don't understand how they could pocket the money if they replaced a meter to overbill somebody who paid by check.

[Edwin Pawlowski]

I comprehend out English language. Saying "it may require a permit" does NOT mean "go get a permit". Did you drop out of school when they taught that in 5th grade? Do you live in Washington? They want to know what "is" is. Maybe you can help.

Thanks for trying though. I appreciate my fan club watching every move I make. It is so endearing.

[hallerb]

landlord can basically do what he wants, i had one say its your responsiblity to replace the water heater... yeah sure...

it may not be the lazy handyman, many landlords are so fixated at saving bucks handy guy is likely doing job as instructed.

if you see a bad job before moving in run away.

but rent is likely lower and everyone wants something cheap

[nhurst]

After something like that, I do believe I'd be digging my own well and telling them to keep their meter. I'd even take out a loan for it, too. That's just heinous.

-Nathan Bart Byers wrote:

[Oren]

I'm sure he don't live in a warehouse, dumbski.

"we had to pay" may mean a company, dumbski.

I can do something about stupid...What can you do about being a dumbski?

Oren