About recalls for runaway cars.

It's true, it does unlock the converter, but big, fat, harry deal!!. So what? Lifting your foot off the gas unlocks the converter too. Guess that's why the "Crusher" doesn't want to lift his foot untill he has to stop. Must be worried about "burning out the clutch"

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My 1940's Chevys had 4 pedals, but none were the emergency brake.

And VW had a "clutchless" stick shift. I think it had a centrifical clutch that did not require a pedal. It disengaged when you took your foot off the gas.

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salty

Ype, case of HUA, misread the post. Already replied to out LFBer.

Harry K

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Harry K

Same here on more than one of my junkers back in the 40s/50s. Not a fun thing to do.

Harry K

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Harry K

- No it disengaged when you touched the shift lever.

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clare

Really? Then why did you have to lower revs to get it into the next higher gear?

Do a google or bing search for "Saxomat" for more information.

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salty

If you count _all_ the foot operated controls, some had 5, or even 6 if there was a foot operated emergency. dimmer, starter, clutch, brake, gas. Of course the dimmer and starter weren't "pedals". There were even a few that had a foot operated radio tuner....oops, I forgot the 'stomp on this to spray windshield thingy' Geez, It didn't seem so crowde when I was driving them :)

Curious, About what year did the starter become fairly standard on the key switch? Same for about when the dimmer moved to the column.

With all the old cars I drove back then I can't recall if my 38 chev had starter on key but I am sure it still had the dimmer on floor.

Harry K

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Harry K

Non-synchro box at a guess.

Harry K

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Harry K

Depends on the emergency. If it's one I anticipated *might* happen and it does, I gain 44 feet. If it's not anticipated I'm no worse off then anyone else. So on average I'm better off. It's not a "few extra feet" I'm gaining, it's nearly 50 feet, that's about 3 car lengths.

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Ashton Crusher

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No one said they did 100% of the time.

And even then, the tiny fraction of a

Simply not true. In heavy traffic I can easily gain about a 50 foot advantage over a right foot braker all other things being equal.

And now we have Ashton joining

Because it is a good idea if you know how to do it properly. It's clear from the RFBer comments that you people haven't got the foggiest idea how to properly left FB. That's not a criticism, it's just a skill you never learned. I've mastered driving both manual and automatic transmission vehicles and braking with both my right and left feet. It does not present a problem for ME. You seem to believe that you are not capable of mastering it and if that's the case I would encourage you to continue to use your right foot, I would not want to be responsible for you having an accident when you got confused as to which foot to use to press on the huge number of pedals in your car.

The example of using it when traffic ahead is

Yes, god forbid someone drive in a defensive manner that gains them 50 extra feet of stopping distance compared to your technique.

Here's my solution.. If traffic up

And I encourage you to continue to drive within whatever limited skill set you have.

I'm glad to hear that you hold the opinions of low paid civil servants with zero special training in driving in such high regard.

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Ashton Crusher

I'm not sure why this concept is so hard for you folks to grasp. LFB allows me to BE PREPARED at an earlier point in time then one would be if they used their right foot to brake. If RFB were being used I would not take my foot off the throttle because the apparent need for braking would not be high enough to do so.

There is nothing safe about a

Again, the concept is not one of immediate urgency, it is one of being prepared SOONER then one otherwise would be if you were to RFB. It allows you to gain roughly 50 extra feet of "virtual" following distance and the ONLY thing you need to do is USE both feet instead of letting one of your feet just lay there like a dead fish.

If I anticipate the need to brake, the FIRST thing I

That's not correct. IF I need to brake the two actions (right foot up and left foot down) happen simultaneously, not serially. There's nothing unsafe about it. How do I know? Because I've been doing it for decades.

I doubt you'll find anyone has ever studied it. As to why it is or is not recommended, as was pointed out earlier, it used to be taught in Drivers Ed in some areas. I can only guess why NJ would fail someone, and most likely it's because most people are like you, which means two things, one - they right foot brake all the time, two - they think whatever way they do something is the only acceptable way. No doubt the guy in charge of setting the pass-fail rules for NJ thinks like you do and he gets to make the rules.

I'm still waiting for someone to answer this question, ...

If using the left foot to brake is SO confusing and dangerous, how can you accept flying in an airplane with a pilot that drove to the airport braking with his right foot and steering with a steering wheel, but who will "drive" the 767 down the runway steering with his feet and braking with BOTH feet. Or if he drives a motor cycle he will drive to the airport shifting his motor cycle with his left foot, working the throttle with his right hand, and braking with his left hand and right foot, while working teh clutch with his left hand. Surely he will be VERY confused and if there is an emergency on takeoff or landing his hands and feet will just go into spasms from all the nerve confusion. Or the same basic question as it relates to someone who drives both a car and a motorcycle.... surely there is such a difference in how the feet and hands are used in a car versus a motorcycle that it would be MADNESS for the same person to be allowed to drive both. For some reason you anti-LFB people will never answer this.

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Ashton Crusher

The alleged reasons not to do it have been demolished. The fact that it won't changed the ossified minds on display here has no bearing on that fact.

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Ashton Crusher

Yeah, If that makes you feel better. Lets go over it again.....

LFB creates GREATER safety all other things being equal. That means if YOU did exactly what you do now in terms of when you lift your right foot off the gas, how fast you go, how much following distance you leave, etc, but made two changes, that you would be able to create, at no cost, the equivalent of 3 extra car lengths of space in front of you. Those two changes would be 1 - use your left foot to brake instead of your right and 2 - move it into position EARLIER then you normally would lift your right foot off the throttle by about 2 to

3 seconds.

That's it in the simplest terms. Now, please explain how my (or you) adding 3 effective additional car lengths of following distance makes me a dangerous driver. And don't tell me it's because my feet will get confused, in decades of driving it has NEVER happened.

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Ashton Crusher

You are the one who said "after hours on the road you will relax those muscles" in regard to them inadvertently pushing on the pedal so clearly YOU did NOT understand what I said the first several times I said it. So if anyone is asinine it is you. And the advantage of LFB has been outlined several times, you just choose to ignore those advantages (smoother driving, shorter reaction times)

If you tried it and didn't like it that's fine. I have tried RFB (with AT cars) and could see no reason for it. That said, I have never attacked those who prefer RFB because of that preference. But every time LFB gets mentioned it and whoever mentioned it is savagely attacked, completely out of proportion to any of the alleged defects in it. The reactions to LFB are really quite interesting.

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Ashton Crusher

Try driving a few cars and get back to me. The brake light switch controls the brake lights and triggers the unlock.

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Ashton Crusher

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Maybe you and Harry and a couple others who can't drive and use two feet have no interest in how well you drive or how defensively you drive but some of us do.

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Ashton Crusher

Bad guess. It had a centrifical cluych that needed to be disengaged.

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salty

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=3D=3D Probably the best way to defensive drive is to stay off the roads and highways when some "elitist" know-it-all is practicing his left foot dance over the brake pedal and consequently following too closely as he thinks (or knows) that he has an advantage of a couple of seconds over me in his braking reaction. So, next time you venture forth, post a sign in your window stating that a LF driver is about.

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They should make all LFBers hook the brake light to the horn. I'll bet they would quit doing it.

Harry K

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Harry K

And how would you know that besides just throwing out some number as BS? Prove it.

LOL Let me get this right. A situation arises while driving where you are getting too close to other cars in traffic. My solution and that of any safe driver is to take my foot of the throttle and start braking to slow down and increase the seperation distance. Your solution is to keep your right foot on the throttle, hoover your left foot over the brake and continue on your way. I'd say it's obvious to everyone here that you are the one with the limited skills and are an unsafe driver.

More BS presented as fact. How do you know what the training and credentials are of the people that wrote the state driving manuals, written tests, and administer the in car driving tests?

I've asked you for a reference to any credible source of information that says left foot braking and using two feet on an automatic is even acceptable, let alone a superior method. Should be easy, if the facts are as you claim. Link please.

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