A question on ethics.

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Hey, I had the same thing going on with me this morning. Why am I so sore? Then I remembered that I helped my neighbor tear a ride on mower apart. He got it for free, and it has parts that match one of his other ride on mowers. So, off comes the deck, out comes the engine, then the sun set and it started to get cold. Homie don't like the cold when it is not sunny out. I don't, either. :-)
I remember running fence and when I got to the Casino's break room for lunch the cocktail waitresses would just stare at me. I would look down and see all of this blood running down my arms from the barbed wire. Oh, I guess I need to wash up before I go to the buffet...
My fav was while trying to tighten the set-screw for the pilot bit of a hole-saw. I could have swore I put the drill motor in neutral...oops, where did my fingernail go? Whatever, a few wraps of electrical tape later...LOL!
I have been nicked so many times and wondered WT? When did that happen?
Of course, one could reference the movie Predator.
"I don't have time to bleed."
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On 12/14/2013 12:29 AM, Irreverent Maximus wrote:

I remember reading about hockey players getting all busted up and not noticing it until the game was over. I always laugh at group pictures of a hockey team because they are all smiling and most of them have teeth missing. I can't remember how many times I've been shocked working on electrical or electronic gear. I had one RF burn that was a bit rough but I never got shocked when working on high voltage power because if you don't concentrate and pay attention when working around 4,160vac power, you may not live very long. When I work on electrical stuff around the house, businesses or industry, I work on it like it was hot because I often do and because it's a good habit. ^_^
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On 12/13/2013 3:38 PM, philo wrote:

Me and my late friend GB often repaired HVAC systems for people with little money and didn't charge them a lot and when we did it for an old fellow who lived a few blocks from GB, the old man's family called us to repair their equipment and paid us full price because they appreciated the way we helped their family member who had a limited income. ^_^
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Good deal.
When asked how much do I owe you?
Um, what's for lunch?
Some things you do, just because.
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On 12/13/2013 11:17 PM, Irreverent Maximus wrote:

I spent most of May in the hospital and my first visitor was the minister from a small Baptist church my friend LM attends. I don't share their faith but I donated time and material to help LM repair the church's AC units that metal thieves had damaged. I did it because they're good, nice people and they help a lot of folks too. I've done a lot of work for small churches even though I don't practice their faith. The mega-churches can kiss my ass because the people running those places are often arrogant, judgmental jerks. ^_^
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On 12/14/2013 12:01 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

Folks like that make up for the rest of em.
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On 12/13/2013 3:30 PM, Irreverent Maximus wrote:

I've done a lot of mess cleanups like the time an area manager for a supermarket that he decided to have someone else install a backup generator for his store. He told me that the other contractor had given him a much lower price to install the used generator. I later got a call from the manager asking me if I would get his new generator running. I asked why he was calling me? I thought someone else had installed the genset? The guy who installed it told the manager that he just installed them, he didn't fix them. My price had included repairing any problem with the used equipment. I charged the same amount of money to repair the installation that I would have charged to start with. ^_^
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On 12/13/2013 11:54 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

pinch a penny "a la carte" thing is more expensive in the long run. I've got a few cases like that.
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wrote:

He made the purchase *acting as an agent for his customer*. Had he quoted a fixed price for everything he would "sort of" been a vendor.
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On 12/13/2013 03:22 PM, dadiOH wrote:

The OP did not mention a quoted price here and sounds like he just wants to be honest.
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

I notice that krwd hasn't chimed in on an "ethical" problem, speaks loads about his lack of them
as to your question, it depends on if you want your client to refer you and/or give you more work
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On 12/13/2013 03:07 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:

Good grief, Malformed!
I recently had new furnace and central air units installed. The dealer did an excellent job installing both. Based on past and present work performed, I would recommend this dealer to my closest friends.
I assume that this dealer gets an end-of-year sales rebate from the factory. I don't feel entitled to any portion of that dealer's rebate. .
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On Friday, December 13, 2013 3:22:05 PM UTC-5, Roy Biggins wrote:

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The above doesn't sound anything like the situation that occurred. A problem is that a lot of info is lacking. But clearly this isn't a volume rebate that some reseller gets. Without any more info, I would suspect that the client agreed to pay for the cost of the appliance that the OP obtained at a local store plus the cost to install it. If that appliance had a rebate, then I would think in most cases, the client is entitled to it. But we don't know for sure, because we don't know what the actual contract that was made was.
I recently bought paint at HD that had a $40 rebate. That rebate was available to anyone. If I had a contract with a painter to pay $1000 for his services, I pay for the paint, he picks it up at HD, then clearly that rebate would be mine. It's also not a good idea to pull this with a customer, because it's usually easy to find out what rebates there are online and then you have a problem.
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ah, so you believe that the best way to keep existing customers, get new referrals from these existing customers is to not give them something that makes them think better of you?
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com;3165339 Wrote: > My client asked me to pick-out, purchase and install an appliance for > him.

The pivotal point here is: It turned out that the appliance that I picked had a rebate coupon.
A skeptical person would suspect that the reason you picked THAT appliance was because of the rebate offer. They'd believe you saw the opportunity to benefit yourself from the rebate, and so it was the rebate that steered your decision making.
I don't think that can work because both your client and the appliance manufacturer are going to want the ORIGINAL of the sales receipt. It's really the owner of the appliance that should photocopy both the original of the sales receipt and the rebate form and keep both together in case he has to make a warranty claim.
I feel that you were acting as your client's _agent_ by picking out an appliance for his use. As such, you should have had your client's interests foremost in mind when making your purchase decision. If you feel that your client would have also made the same purchase because of the rebate, then the ethical thing to do would be to refund the rebate to your client. To act in his best interest is to act as he would have under the same circumstances. And, he entrusted you to make the best purchase decision you could ON HIS BEHALF. But, in all fairness, you should mention that it took a little time to fill in the coupon, address the envelope and mail it, and let your client decide how much is a fair reimbursement for your time and effort in that regard.
As soon as you realized there was a rebate to be had, you put yourself in a conflict of interest situation. You either act in your clients best interest, or you act in your own best interest. He trusted you to act in his best interest. If you feel you were acting in your clients best interest because he would have made the same purchase entirely because of that rebate, then you are correct and you did act in his best interest. But, that means the rebate is HIS money. If you now keep a substantial portion of the rebate for yourself, then it can't be said that you were truly acting in his best interest. In that case, it's hard for us not to believe your game plan was for your client to get the stove and for you to get the rebate.
Give the rebate money to your client and get a tip and some word of mouth advertising out of the deal. If your client finds out there was a rebate paid on that purchase and he never saw a penny of it, he'll believed you betrayed him. He'll believe he could have had a stove more suitable to his needs were it not for your betrayal. So, he'll badmouth you for the rest of his life. If he relates the story exactly as you related it to us, his audience will agree that ethically, you have an obligation to return the rebate to him because you were acting on his behalf in making the decision to purchase the stove which offered the rebate. You can't say you were truly doing that if you give him the stove, but keep the rebate for yourself since the rebate was the reason for purchasing THAT stove.
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On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:55:09 PM UTC-8, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

I have decided to give my client the entire rebate minus one dollar for my trouble and expense since, as someone here mentioned, I was acting as an ag ent of my client even though the rebate had nothing to do with my decision to purchase the appliance since I didn’t even know there was a rebate unt il I made my decision to buy that particular model which had the rebate or for that matter if or when I would even get the rebate. Most of my clients are very nice people for whom I would gladly do the same. In the future how ever, since I do also have some clients that I don’t particularly like, a nd under the same circumstances for those particular clients I would probab ly not even bother filling out the rebate coupon or mailing it in since I k now I wouldn’t be getting any money for it.
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 20:39:37 -0800 (PST), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

I think you are doing *almost* the right thing. You should give him the whole rebate, don't hold out that $1. It's such a small amount it's meaningless as far as money but think of the impression it leaves to people (and your customer) who hear about that measly $1 - It makes you sound like a real chiseler even though you are giving the other $29 dollars away. If he tells the story to his friends what will they remember, that you gave him the $29 or that you kept the lousy $1 ? If you give back the whole $30 you come off like a 100% upstanding guy, if you keep the $1 you just come off as cheap, no one will remember the $29.
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Ashton Crusher wrote:

Old car salesman adage: "I'd rather sell one guy five cars than five guys one car."
Building good will brings in long term business and creates positive word of mouth. I have bought three used vehicles from the same salesman and referred two more people to him who have bought their vehicles from him too.
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