On Mon, 25 May 2009 14:20:40 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
A certain amount of experience.
No offence, but that's a naive question.
There are all manner of manufacturers that have all manner of cooperative
agreements with retailers and the like. Volume counts for a bunch, but
there is also cooperative advertising and Gawd-knows what-all other types
of scratch-my-back/I'll scratch-your-back arrangements.
You think Moen would list me in their sources if I bought a dozen faucets
and ran a local ad? But they'd get Homey-Flogging-Depots outlets on there
A hi-margin outlet ...
If part of it worked for you, that's great.
Do you think it'd work for everybody in the US? I'll admit I don't know,
myself. It's not my expectation.
I ran their sources, made a list (3 hardware stores + big boxes). I'll start
calling around soon's as the holiday is over (tomorrow).
Moen and Delta both used, and still do use their own different patented
washerless technology, no compression.
Sink holes are 4" apart. So a three hole kitchen sink needs a faucet
without a side spray. If you have a four hole sink, you can get a faucet
with a side spray. or just fill the hole with a soap/lotion dispenser or a
cock hole cover if need be.
The internals of a Moen are all the same, but be wary of chinsy handles and
also large tinny spouts that look like they must be heavy brass but they
can't be at such a low cost. I've used the Castleby before. It's been out
a couple years. If you want the old standard heavy duty Moen, then look for
a Legend. Very little is made just like it was in the old days, and
literally everybody is outsourcing to the outer limits.
This is the one I bought. The thing's built like a tank.
Found the receipt. It sold for $104.00 at a dealer I found through Moen's
"where to buy" search tool.
I dunno I need the heaviest they make. Just something good and solid. I will,
however, price the Legend.
Would appreciate a brief mention if you observed any problems with the
Castleby. The one on Ebay expired (0 bids) just as I was logging on.
If he re-lists, it's conceivable I could get a good price on it.
Much thanks for your help with this.
Castleby is light duty, but may be OK for you if it's not heavy use. Just
remember, those spouts are tubes, not cast brass. So that faucet weighs a
lot less than it appears on the E-bay web-page. You mind fills in the
blanks, and you envision a good thing from a good picture. The point I was
making is something that is OK for the elderly for example may not last two
weeks with a typical suburban family of five, so you'll have to decide for
yourself what works for you.
Thanks. It's just me and the dawg. Use it 3 times/day, wash a few dishes, etc.
I'd damn well compare weights of Moen units to my old faucet etc if I could
find weight in the specs. Pretty sure weight is the missing spec (I
looked at all the online doc.). Guess I can call their 800 # to get the info.
I guess you have to try and figure out what is a "normal price" for an item,
so you can recognize when a competing item is suspiciously cheap. I use Moen
faucets as my guideline. My Moen kitchen faucet cost about $100, and I
consider anything much cheaper than that to be junk. Granted, there may be
cheaper items which are decent, but since I'm not a plumber, I don't have
the opportunity to install lots of different faucets to see if I'm right.
So, I buy Moen and be done with it. I have better things to do than dick
around with an installation more than once.
Keep it as simple as possible!
Which is why we have avoided anything but separate hot and cold taps,
now, for everything. Simple easy to adjust, few/no problems
Our one and only experience with a mixing type faucet for the kitchen
sink, when we built this second house in 1970 was sort of OK; but the
faucet unit only lasted about 12 years before giving trouble. The
lever that adjusted the Hot/cold ratio got loose and then the pin
securing it broke off! Replaced it with double taps to as single bib
which can swing over either of half of the the double sink unit. We
used to cater; a lot of dishes been washed through that sink!
After 39 years am about to replace the bathroom basin taps, mainly for
appearance, (although they work fine if you keep the washers and seats
in good condition. Think we paid $15 for them) but also because am
replacing the 15 year old sink itself.
Almost fooled myself; replacing the bathroom fiberglass/bath/shower
unit some 8-10 years ago found that it was designed for a mixer valve,
darn it, and had to fiddle a bit to locate the hot-cold tap handles so
as to be on flat surfaces! Worked fine since though.
Yep; simple is best.
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