1950s Chest Freezer Refurbish

[gfretwell]

Great, lets shop more high tech jobs south of the border

[hallerb]

it was very newsworthy perhaps 5 years ago. many reactors had miles of bad wiring.

as to my suggestion of mexico.

my real point is the indusry can try to make the public accept them but i doubt it will fly.

people dont want cell phone towers in their neighborhood, but a nuke plant 50 miles away will be much worse...........

[dpb]

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If you can't substantiate something specific to discuss, then don't bring it up. I have given you factual data for every one of your fantasies and can provide further detail on any point you wish to challenge. You simply make up or reiterate one piece of rhetoric after another and never finish a single subject.

As for the US putting reactors in southern Mexico, that's simply ludicrous, the least of which being the "not in my back yard" syndrome.

As for cell towers, same problem -- all the yuppies want the stuff but somehow expect it to be magically supplied for them.

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[Kurt Ullman]

Yep. Downtown NY is just filthy with them and they are building new ones almost hourly. This is SO... ludicrous.

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[hallerb]

most existing nuke plants are close to population centers, i live within 50 miles of shippingport power station. i repair machines in area, awhile ago they distribuited iodine to the residents in case of a accident

[TKM]

Hmmm. I thought most buildings already had that -- at least for basic systems like exit and power-failure lights. One of the lessons learned in the first Wold Trade Center bombing was that a central emergency system generator, if destroyed -- which it was, can't do any good when the power failures. The WTC replaced stairway lights with local battery-power units which did work on 9/11.

I see battery-powered egress lights in restaurants, churches, stores, etc. now. Something for elevators sounds a bit more expensive especially for tall buildings, but even a system that returns the elevator cab to the main floor could be powered by something like a car battery for the bit of power and limited time required.

TKM

[hallerb]

Something for elevators sounds a bit more expensive especially for

yeah thats all thats needed........

just enough to get all elevators down and doors open.

so firefighters can do other more important things

[Jim Redelfs]

Aw, more Katrina "victims" crapola.

They knowingly occupied costal property BELOW sea level, were given ample warning to evacuate and they stayed put.

The bulk of them got what they deserved. The bulk of them got MORE than they deserved: Our money.

I'll cheerfully accept the personal risks associated with nuclear power. It beats the heck out of strip-mining.

[Jim Redelfs]

Hey! Knob and tube is GOOD wiring!

[Jim Redelfs]

What's weird, though, is that, prior to this stupid thread, I always thought his stuff was worth reading. I guess that, if you keep scratching LONG enough...

[Jim Redelfs]

As they should be to minimize transmission losses.

You probably enjoy reasonably-priced, if not CHEAP, electric power.

That's to treat the abrasions and lacerations incurred from slamming shut windows and doors in the event of a TMI-type incident and the wind is blowing in their direction.

We spent more wisely here: They installed a network of special alert sirens to give us time to get to the drug store to BUY iodine.

Me? I simply wear a lead-lined suit all the time. It gets pretty uncomfortable in the summer but, at least I'm safe.

Unbelievable...

[hallerb]

not true at all, pittsburgh had some of the highest electric rates in the nation, untill a few years ago, duquesne light sold off power generation, rates dropped, now they are headed up agan big time.........

around here nuke didnt equal low cost.

as a matter of fact stranded costs were a big issue, and why generation was sold off

no matter what you claim selling nuke, espically new nuke, and the transmission lines that go with it, is going to be a tough to impossible sell.

my katrina comments are based we are nearly all uninsured if a reactor poisions a region.

claims will hit the fedreal cap, and that will be that. the power companies nor the feds have the bucks to compensate folks for a chernobyl sized disaster

[dpb]

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And why were there stranded costs? Simply other idiots like you standing in the way, most likely...

No it isn't going to be a hard sell down the road -- C sequestration and greenhouse gas concerns will make it the obvious alternative.

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[hallerb]

stranded costs came from over building for steel and other industry that just went out of business........

time will tell but people fight power transmission lines, now add a nuke power plant, and watch the lawsuits fly

[dpb]

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It could hardly have been called over-building since they were there at the time. There's little if any generation capacity that has come online in that area in well over 20 years that I'm aware of (although I didn't do a check of the Directory of Power Producers, I can do so if you'd like to disagree).

There is certainly no great excess of power in the northeast grid even today. Which unit(s) are you deeming as stranded?

Well, they can either decide to have power or do without -- suits me fine if they all want to go somewhere where it doesn't disturb the rest of us and get it by magic from whatever means they can invent on their own.

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[salty]

Back when Nuke power was first developed, there wre lots of glowing (pun intended) articles in every major publication touting it as being able to produce electricity "too cheap to meter". That was the standard company line.

They've been lying about it's benefits ever since.

BTW - did you know that after Chernoble there was a large, highly radioactive "cloud" that passed over parts of the United States? Apparently our government was more than a little concerned about it. Not much they could do, though except pray that weather conditions cooperated to keep it up and moving so that it eventually went elsewhere to precipatate it's load.

[Kurt Ullman]

Kinda sorta. Nothing in the way of main plants. There, instead, have been a number of smaller peaking plants because they are much easier to get approved. That is causing problems because the main plant are getting older and the peaking plants are not as efficient.

[Jim Yanik]

Jim Redelfs wrote in news: [e-mail]:

yes,it's very clear he didn't bother to look up pebble-bed reactor technology.

some people can be very competent in one area,and completely wacked in another.

[Jim Yanik]

" [e-mail]" wrote in news:15644c6a-72f9-419a-8330- [e-mail]:

OTOH,many cities will welcome the good paying,high tech jobs,along with clean safe reliable electric power.

[dpb]

Precisely---rather than there being excess capacity, there's actually a shortage and they're paying the cost for high natural gas prices for gas turbines instead of having baseload generation to be amortized over a larger base and having the ability to be sold off-grid when off-peak.

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