I'm a horticulturist in the United States, and I'm interested in
converting my lawn to a type of turf that requires less mowing (a
mixture of fine and hard fescues). The usual method to accomplish that
on this side of the Atlantic is to first kill the existing turf with an
application of glyphosate, wait a couple of weeks, and then use a slit
seeder to plant the new grass seed right through the dead turf.
Howevver, I would like to avoid the use of glyphosate, if possible. I'm
wondering if I could simply use a stone burier on the existing turf and
then plant right away. Would the buried grass re-emerge to compete with
the fescues? Stone buriers are a new kind of technology in the United
States and I cannot find anyone who has used them for this purpose. I
understand, though, that they have been in use in Britain for some time.
Has anyone connected with this forum used a stone burier for lawn
I find it hard to believe that a horticulturist would have to ask if
buried grass will re-emerge.
Buried grass WILL re-emerge if you don't kill it, that's just common sense.
Just exactly what do you think a stone burier is going to do differently
that would magically prevent the grass from trying to survive?
Me thinks you may be trolling or setting us up for spam about stone
buriers... Time will tell.
A machine that is pulled by a tractor. It looks to be about 5 feet wide.
Tills up the soil and levels it out.
6 ACTIONS - 1 MACHINE - 1 PASS
Cultivates to a depth of 200mm
Buries stones clods, grass and debris.
Creates a fine soil surface for accurate seed depth.
Levels and finishes the surface.
Seeds at exact rates.
Finishes by rolling firm.
Technically, it doesn't have to be pulled by a tractor, and doesn't have
to be 5 feet wide.
The defining characteristic seems to be that it scrapes and pulverizes
the first few inches of the soil, sort of like the way a cheese grater
works. Quite a bit different than a roto-tiller or disc tiller.
They come in a variety of sizes, from walk behind (or infront) to
Like the scarifier, this is an example of a yard product that is not
very common for home or light commercial use in North America, but seems
to be more common in the UK.
Seems primarily designed for turf removal for preparing new lawns or
garden plots. The term "stone burier" is somewhat odd given what it
does and how it operates and the desired result. It would be more
appropriate to call it a soil grader or turf planer.
Now tell me where I could find a concise explanation like that on
I have to agree with Art. You are too stupid to use Google. I gave a quick
explination that was copied and pasted from their website. YOu did not seem
to know what one was and now you want to pick apart the quick explination.
I posted this link at the top of the message I sent:
I found it on Google along with several videos on the first page.
Perhaps a similar machine is available in a size that would do a 1/4 acre
lawn. The machine shown at the linked wesite seems to be more suited to
atheletic fields and golf courses.
It looks like the perfect way to spread the seeds and rhizomes of
I had a friend go over my lawn with a "rockhound" that removes rocks, roots,
clumps etc. The resulting lawn looked good for 3 years.
And you are too stupid to realize that I must have used a search engine
to post the explanation that I quoted above.
I never said you didn't.
You stated that it was a machine of a certain size and configuration.
Technically, that was wrong because these machines come in different
sizes and configurations.
So your explanation was incomplete and lacked some important details
which I added.
Yes I know, I quoted it in my reply. Why did you feel it was important
to tell me this a second time?
Lots of weeds would emerge to compete with your fescues as thousands
of buried seeds are exposed to light, along with the possibility of some
of the undesired grass surviving the process.
I can't imagine why you think it would be better to break up and violently
churn your soil than to use what would be a very small amount of a very
much targeted chemical.
*Renovating* a lawn without chemicals would involve improving it using
top-dressing, overseeding, hand-weeding and organic fertilizers.
You are looking to start from scratch, and trying to choose between
methods of destruction.
use a turf cutter to remove old turf if the ground is good enough then
if your left with a load of stones use a stone burier or if not just use
a stone raker / standard landscape rake (size permitting) then you
could use a seeder roller machine to get a good finish .
Which is one hell of a lot of work and cost compared to applying
glyphosate and using a slit seeder. Glyphosate is routinely used on
food crops, so I don't see the big deal in using it for a one time
to make it abit cheaper then we sometimes just kill the old grass/weeds
with spray (gallup 360) wait till it dies off then rotorvate it , rake
aera out and re seed if you want a good job on your lawn you really cant
try to do it to cheaply
And how much back braking work is it to rake out clumps of dead turf
after it's all rototilled into one big mess? Geez, why does everyone
want to do it the hard way?
I've re-seeded dozens of lawns by using glyphosate (Roundup), waiting
about 2 weeks until it's all dead, then mowing short, raking up the
debris, then using a slit seeder to apply the seed. Worked every
time, no fuss, no muss.
I can see tilling the whole thing up IF the soil is poor and you want
to add amendments. But for a lawn where the existing topsoil is OK,
the above procedure is effective, easy, and cheap.
Are you, yourself, made of plant material? It's a serious question man, not a
smart-assed answer. It's all got to do with how glyphosate works. It won't hurt
you, unless you're actually a plant. =)
As long as the plants you're growing are "glyphosate-ready" (and there's a
shit-load of them available), and you spray on a calm day and/or protect your
other crops from overspray, it'd be just fine to use it in your home garden.
Pulling weeds from a dense block of corn sucks. It makes it a helluva lot
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