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Looking to buy a new walk behind. Saw a LB at HD that had what I wanted but on the carton were the words"assembled in mexico". I assume all the parts were made in the US? LB is owned by Toro located in MN. John Saint Charles,MO
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Assume nothing in this day and age. But let me ask - which would you prefer - that it be made in Mexico - or in the USA by illegal Mexican immigrants ?
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:56:48 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:

I personaly would prefer either of those options over it being made in china.
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What do we have against Chinese at this point ? They are the fastest growing economic force - seems smarter to learn Chinese than Spanish at this point.
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:14:46 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:

At this point in time, the chinese goverment holds over 40% of our debt. At this point china has taken over more of our manufacturing jobs than all of south america combined. Soon we will have to learn chinese just to do business in this global market. China will be the next global super power and we will be the ones to fund their abillity to become that. At least mexico is a democracy (for what it's worth), but yet we ship millions of dollars to a communist country everyday. Wasn't communism the enemy just 15 years ago? Don't we still punish cuba for being communist still to this day? I just doesn't make sense to me to be anti-mexican and pro-chinese.
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We openned the door to them about 8 or 10 years ago (forget the name of the treaty) so it's not their fault.

Like we have insisted that the other countries learn English to survive in the past. Now it's somebody elses turn - sounds fair to me.

It doesn't make sense to me to be anti-communist to begin with. Actually I think it's our "capitalism" vs their "socialism". But since we have more murders than any other country and more lawsuits and more lawyers and weaker school systems and more people trying to make it on "networking" than talent - I can't feel too superior to some other approach. Plus our society is becoming more and more socialistic and less and less capitalist every day - and BTW aren't the Chinese just being capitalistic in taking advantage of an open market ?
I never could understand why we are being pricks to Cuba.
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Don't forget that even poor people in the United States demand and get the basic rights of cell phones, cable TV with HBO, game boys, CD players for their rap and hip-hop, Cadillacs, air conditioning, computers, health insurance, and $300 tennis shoes.
No one wants to work when the government provides it all to you anyway.
This country is going down the drain and it is all our own fault. China is laughing as they clean our clock and watch us self-destruct.
Greedy and lazy American pigs is pretty much right on.
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:41:35 +0000, Oscar_Lives wrote:

Sounds like someone has selfimage issues 'round here 80) ..... Don't get me wrong, America has dropped the ball, but IMHO, it's just plain silly to blame the american people as a whole. Poor people want what the middle class have and corporate america say's we all need. The American worker is one of the most efficent, hardest laboring workers on the planet. We work longer hours with less vaction time than any other industrialized country in the world.
I was told that you can tell how good a country is by how they treat their elderly and their children. America abandons their old and under educates their young. This is the root of our social ills imho.
Corprate America has abandon America and sold us to the highest bidder. This is shown to use by the wal-marts and the big box monsters. There was a time in this country were that wasn't true at all, but now were exporting our greatest minds abroad along with our innovation.... But I digress. We will have to agree to disagree.
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<snip>> -- Don't make me laugh - "most efficient, hardest laboring" - LOL I can show you dozens of the least competent, most likely to bs you workers on the planet. My favorite is when I ask a specific question and get a reply, "As far as I know it is." Just lip service that helps nothing and just wastes time. You can get that a dozen times per day around here. You can do it, we can help ? Ask the "associate" a question about a product and he or she starts reading the label back to you. WTH do they think I need help with - reading ?
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:44:33 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:

So your not a hard working and/or efficient worker? Or are you just special? As my grandma would say, it's useless to argue with the facts. Americans invented the 40 hour work week and many of us work more than that. Americans invented the assembly line and the modern manufacturing model which has been the engine of development for the whole world. We make the best tools, the best cars, the highest grade steel...ect. The american corps are striping the machines out of the factories and are selling it off to the highest bidding third world nation.
Sorry that the big box store workers can answer your questions. It's not in the best intrest of home depo to have an informed public, their in the shit business. They sell you cheap shit and they don't give a shit about you. Try shoping more locally for your products and be willing to pay more for competent customer service.
Before you send off some post refuting my position, remember this: If you don't like it here, if you don't like the workers here, feel free to get on a plane and make a better life somewhere else. I'm sure china will great you with open arms ;0)
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I'm special - retired - when I was working we were #1 - it's you youngsters who have screwed it up.

Make that "HAD BEEN" - as MY grandma said, nothing lasts forever - and the sooner you see the FACT of change the better.

It might help you to know that my son and I probably do more buying in a month than most consumer's do in a year - and I was buying long before Home Depot came on the scene - but most of their product is the same that is in the local stores. Of the dozens of local stores I can only think of one that has more helpful personel.

Tell you what - I'll go to China if you go to Chile or wherever the fruit you are eating came from. I'm not going to let incompetent workers displace me as long as I can buy imported products right here.
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Srgnt Billko wrote:

OK - let me ask you this - if you know that you are working in the cheap and there is absolutely no reason to work harder or smarter because your job could either go to a Mexican or get outsourced, why would you take the time to learn the information that you want to know? Isn't that the responsibility of the employer to teach their employees this info so that you can be a satisfied customer? About the only thing that employers teach employees is to be good listeners and validate customer concerns - because even if you can't get your problem solved, you might feel better if you think that you are being listened to.
Make it worth my while to learn something about the products so I won't lose my job to Mexico or China and I might do that. If you don't reward performance, why should I try and do better? Today any employee who is the first to show loyalty to their employer is a fool - it's the rare employer today who won't sell your ass in a heartbeat to make a buck.
That is why I as a consumer take the time to find out which employers take care of their employees, which make their products in the USA, and I only buy from them. If I can't find it made in America, it has to be something that I really need bad, otherwise I go without. I hate sending my money over to China to build weapons to eventually use against us.
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Timothy wrote:

And it won't change until we do one of two things:
1) Line up all the greedy capitalist pigs - and the politicians who make it legal to sell us out - against the wall and shoot em or lynch them from a tree; or
2) Take the money out of politics and make it really one person + one vote.
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Srgnt Billko wrote:

Don't keep thinking that it was China alone who wanted that MFN treaty - it was multinational businesses who realized that China was not only a big market, but also a great place for doing business - slave labor workplaces, no environmental or workplace health and safety laws. They do short-term deals while the Chinese government steals their technology.

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Timothy wrote:

Don't you mean being anti-cuban and pro-chinese (or pro-vietnamese)?
And so much for Mexico being pro-democracy - what about how Fox is sending all his unemployment problems to the US to steal jobs from US citizens or leagl immigrants so that the money can be sent back to Mexico to bail out their economy? And what about the lawless zones - up to 50 miles from the US border - where Americans get kidnapped and held for ransom, and Mexican drug kingpins who are hiring Mexican Special FOrces troops to protect them and their drug shipments?
I say fuck em all - keep the jobs and the money over here, control immigration, and license and don't sell out our technology.
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take that if need be.
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Why not spend some money working up some conservation technology to make all cars, trucks and other machinery much more fuel efficient? If we implemented the suggestions of the Apollo Alliance, we would be energy self-sufficient, and have technology that we can sell to other countries.
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Srgnt Billko wrote:

They are growing too fast and the result is that too much of our hard-earned money is going over to China and it is getting used to build up their military, and they aren't buying anything of ours except planes from Boing, and even then they want us to export the technology to China so that they can steal it and incorporate it into their own manufacturing of civilian and military aviation industry. They steal all our technology until they can build it themselves, then they won't need us anymore except to sell stuff to us.
We won't have any money to buy crap from China with if we all end up working in Wal-Mart.
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Srgnt Billko wrote:

I'd prefer it be mnade in the USA by a company where everyone from the hiring manager to the CEO would get hauled into jail when they hire illegals.
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