furnace question for HVAC guru's....

Required by gas code... national and international codes supercede local codes.

Doesn't make it right

Again... check the code books.

That doesn't make it right... check the code books

With all that tape covering all the mistakes, the tin knocker must have used a hatchet

Real simple... you didn't get what you didn't pay for.

Hear this... I would be ashamed to have any responsibility or claim to that particular installation. You can get the job done, or you can get the job done well. You seem to be real proud of your crappy install. I would be real interested to hear what the inspector had to say...You DID have a permit and got it inspected, didn't you?? I guess not... You got your moneys worth and you seem bent on defending it even though you got ripped off. Now go play outside.

*PLONK*
Reply to
Noon-Air
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Sorry, but the drip leg is not a local code. It's a International Mechanical Code. That means you must have one to up to code! Union is not a convenience matter, they are considered directional.

Right there are two code violations. To me that is serious. Otherwise why have codes if one isn't going to follow them?

Noon-Air is also correct about the drain trap. I was going to mention it, but many manufactures are installing them inside the furnaces now. So if there isn't one, that needs to be addressed also.

This is a safety issue!

Reply to
tech

Called inspector today. Had another look and the drip leg is upstream of the gas connection to the furnace. It serves BOTH water heater and furnace so is ok as is. Union is fine as is. Gas shutoff does not need to be replaced. I guess all that's left is the cosmetics of the transition which will not affect performance anyways. I'm happy and it's certainly not worth another $1600 to remedy those minor cosmetics issues.

Reply to
Roy

You sound like a proud consumer! I'm sure you are getting your money's worth.

baahhhaaaabahahhhhhahahaha!

Reply to
Oscar_Lives

Hey DIPSHIT, the drip leg is to be after the shut off, BY CODE!

I didn't mention it because it's ok, I mentioned it BECAUSE YOUR INSTALL is done AGAINST CODES!!!

That makes it something that needs to be addressed. Whether you like it or not is completely another issue. Are we to do things right and correct, or do whatever we can get away with? Don't try to reason with the choices your installer made, he and yourself are wrong!

But while we're at it, since your so f****ng smart, why didn't you do this installation yourself and save the $1200 you paid him to install your furnace?

Reply to
tech

He didn't call any inspector, or pull any permits. and as far an "installer", he did it himself. He is just looking for somebody to justify what he did, was not against the law.

Reply to
Noon-Air

Even if what he did was not against the law, it certainly is against moral and natural law, especialy if he has an innocent wife and/or children living in the house.

Its OK by me if he wants to burn himself up or O2 himself to permanent sleep, but I do get concerned that there may be other innocent people involved.

Reply to
Oscar_Lives

Not here, call the inspector yourself at 604 660-6286 ask for Scott

Reply to
Roy

Hey Noon-air, you are not as dumb as you look.

But in this case you are wrong

Reply to
Roy

It's legal to do here and also ok with insurance company as long as a permit/inspection are done: (not that I agree with it)

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"Homeowner may perform work under a permit

24 (1) A homeowner may apply for an installation permit to perform regulated work with respect to gas equipment in a fully detached dwelling if

(a) no person is being paid to do, or assist the owner in doing, the work, and

(b) no part of the dwelling is rented to any person.

(2) Section 26 does not apply to a homeowner who performs regulated work under this section."

Reply to
Roy

The sad fact is most inspectors are woefully ignorant of mechanical codes. More than one has admitted to me they didn't know the code regarding HVAC very well. They generally tend to have one or two things that are hot buttons for them. Like is there enough combustion air. Or is clearance to combustibles maintained. And it would be rare to have an inspector who checked for both of those items.

BTW, tech is right >> I didn't mention it because it's ok, I mentioned it BECAUSE YOUR INSTALL >> is

Reply to
Steve Scott

Well that too.... I was refering to the simple fact that codes are LAWS..... some places they are enforced, some places not. Regardless, if it doesn't meet code, permits were not pulled, not inspected, then its illegal. Consider that 99% of *ALL* laws on the books (no matter how stupid they sound) are there because somebody actually DID IT with the resulting loss of life, limb, and/or property.

Reply to
Noon-Air

So under what section says it's ok to disregard IMC, IBC, IEBC, IFC, IFGC, IRC, IPC, NEC, or other mechanical codes???????????

Reply to
tech

Do you not live on planet EARTH?

What don't you get about IMC, IBC, IEBC, IFC, IFGC, IRC, IPC, NEC, or other mechanical codes???????????

They include YOU!!!

Reply to
tech

Local codes can superceed state and national codes in some cases depending on the local. Maybe thats the case here. Get over it and move along.

Arent you the one telling everyone that hvac-talk welcomes homeowners? What happened did the Boss ban your ass? Do you think its ok to act like a dick here because thats what you see? This dump aready has its quota of dicks. I can let you know when there is an opening.

In others words shut the f*ck up newboy. You dont know what the hell youre rambling about.

Reply to
Power's Mechanical

directional.

Local codes can be stricter than International codes, but they don't relieve the International codes. In other words, they should still be followed.

That would be me.

Ban, LOL, that's funny. Why do you ask, are you writing a book?

Do you say something intelligent?

In other words, if I wanted your input I would have ask for it. But since I didn't ask for it, FUCK YOU whiner!

Reply to
tech

Talked with a neighbor who is a licensed gas fitter and he says it is acceptable to share the drip leg with HW and furnace. Also mentioned that any crud in there would be long gone after 20+ years.

Reply to
Roy

em? ---

directional.

Once again, you are incorrect. Right out of an installation manual I quote:

"Drip Leg and Union, Union should be outside the cabinet. Manual shut-off valve MUST be upstream of dripleg, union, and furnace" "Use ground joint unions and install a drip leg no less than 3" long to trap dirt and moisture before it can enter gas valve"

I suppose your buddy doesn't know that gas contains moisture. His comment about "crud" shows he should read up on his own trade.

I also guess your buddy "so called gas-fitter" has never saw a drip leg full of oil on a natural gas system? I have, it happens and this was on an old system.

I also quote IFGC:

"408.4 Sediment trap. Where a sediment trap is not incorporated as part of the gas utilization equipment, a sediment trap

shall be installed downstream of the equipment shutoff valve as

CLOSE TO THE INLET OF THE EQUIPMENT AS PRACTICAL. The sediment

trap shall be either a tee fitting with a capped nipple in the bottom

opening of the run of the tee or other device approved as an

effective sediment trap. Illuminating appliances, ranges,

clothes dryers and outdoor grills need not be so equipped."

Reply to
tech

Sould and mandatory are two different things jack.

No Im not writing a book. You seem bitter so if the Boss didnt ban your nasty self then you must be out of work or your wife dumped you or your cat bit your nutsack or something. I bet the Boss banned you...

You dont have to ask me for input. I give it when I feel like it so you need to learn to deal with it.

Now back to you.

Reply to
Power's Mechanical

Codes are to be followed not ignored, so there you have it. Do we want to do things the right or fly by the seat of our pants? I'd rather not lose a law suit because I knowingly did things wrong, but by all means, knock yourself out and think like a hack!

Well see, you're wrong on another subject as well. Doesn't surprise me, you seem to talk out of your ass.

Deal with what, inaccurate facts from a hack that thinks he's a professional. I deal with company's that have your attitude each and every day. It's called repairing the shit they screwed up, condemned and/or can't figure out. To bad you can't read and comprehend, you might actually learn something if you slowed down and think for a change. Must suck to you.

Reply to
tech

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