- What's the average life expectancy on a high efficiency gas furnace? My
Amana 90 is 17 years old, and my service contract providers are making noise
about not covering me. Is it time to replace?
- Is there a general consensus on what brands of furnace you would personally
avoid? How about brands you would install in your own house (considering
price as well)?. I browsed through over 4,000 alt.hvac posts to see what you
folks think, and it seems Goodman aren't well received, and Lennox are
overpriced, but not much on what you think are good brands.
Thanks in advance.
I would look for another service provider.... especially if they start
sending out "sales techs", instead of HVAC techs. Unless there is a major
problem with the furnace, keep it maintained, and start getting some serious
dollars put away for replacement. Yes, its probably real close to the end of
its normal service life.
there are several top quality brands.... American Standard/Trane,
Rheem/RUUD, etc. Best to find a local contractor that comes highly
recommended by family, friends, in-laws, outlaws, church folks, co-workers,
etc. Once you have a couple of names, there is nothing that says you can't
buy the local building inspector a cuppa coffee and ask him/her if they
would trust XYZ company to do a proper job in their family's home. Right now
you have the luxury of time.
BTW, Its not about price, its all about who is going to do the very best
quality installation, of top quality equipment, by a certified Master
Mechanical Contractor. ........OR, you can get it done cheap.
The company is up in Canada - 21 Degrees. Not sure how widespread they are.
The last couple of times they've done my annual maintenance, they've said it's
time to replace it. Last time the tech wrote on the invoice "heat exchanger
starting to rust."
While I agree that a competent tech is important, the equipment has to count
for something. I go to a mechanic. He's excellent, but he installs a
cheap-ass fuel pump. Sure he'll look after me when I go back, but I don't
want to _have_ to go back.
I'm sure there is equipment you wouldn't install in your own home. Why should
I install it in mine?
If cost is no factor, actually, there isn't.
But, I prefer not to waste money on a few known EXPENSIVE brands. That
doesn't make them trash, but why pay more for expensive equipment when it
comes down to the installer?
I guess I read something different than Noon. I've also refused to
offer service contracts on some systems because of their dilapidated
state. If I give an estimate for preventive and/or necessary repairs
and the customer refuses to have these repairs done because they don't
want to pour money into something that old, then what other option am
I left with? I'm not going to cover labor on a major repair just
because I came out and did an inspection. The contract only covers
things that I missed during the inspection, that is, it covers the
diagnostic fee. But I don't even want to lose that fee if I already
told them that it isn't gonna last, period.
In some cases parts are no longer even available, in which case I can
only offer to replace the unit. Typical life expectency is about 15
years. By some estimates its only 12 years. You're due for a new unit,
whether or not it is presently operating. Brand isn't as much an
issue as the quality of the installation, as already noted. But there
are differnces. Some, for instance have better warranties than
others. As far as I know all of them will get the job done.
beentheredonethat had written this in response to
I am in Sales and see this question asked on a regular basis. It is simple
really if your planning on living in the home for any period of time,
DON'T BUY A GOODMAN. There are many other brands on the market that offer
a longer life expectancy. Lennox tends to be the longest lasting. Then
Carrier and Trane. Still a Lennox usually lasts up to five years longer
than a Carrier or a Trane. Hope that helps. You can always drive down to a
few dealers and look for the bone yard where they put equipment that has
been removed. Ours is full of Goodman and Trane.
I replace more 4-5 year old Goodman pieces of equipment than any other
brand. I have replaced very few Lennox and when I do they are over twenty
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Wrong! You can't pay more, but you sure can get better!
Trane and Carrier company's seem to be sold every couple of years.
I do believe that Carrier or its holding company own Goodman and its
various brand names.The most sold unit is of the Goodman brands though.
I would purchase a Trane, Carrier or a Rheem/Ruud long before I would be
added to Lennox's victims list.
In other words you company hires Salesmen and scrimps on installers and
Seems reasonable...Goodman outsells every other company on earth with
cheap inexpensive equipment. Thus when replacement time comes, It may
well be Goodmans that have served well and now need new equipment.
I deal multidealership and do not handle Goodman. But one must not
ignore the competition. Gibson is another up and comer. Nordyne owned I
think. Those Gibsons make Goodman look like premium equipment.
I have replaced very few Lennox and when I do they are over twenty
Lets face it sonny, Your a new boot and have a hell of a lot to learn.
Premium among those things to learn is not to advertise your shit here!
By the way even Lennox advertises lifespans to be between 12 and 15
years. Do you know who makes lennox controls? thought not! Same
companies that make them for all other companies. You want a long lived
furnace...Buy a Chicago Foundries. It is a cast iron Octopus insulated
in good old fashioned asbestos and has a #10 coal scoop. They went
bankrupt because nobody ever needed a replacement. Which of course
brought Engineers to design furnaces to be more efficient and to have a
I suggest that you post the average cost of a repair to Lennox.
As a side note, it's not resi equipment but I just changed a compressor on a
Lennox CHP9 653 rooftop heat pump.Removed the original Copeland CL series
(external overloads) 1976 vintage. The building has 4 identical units and
one still has the original compressor working! 32 years is pretty good for a
tin can. Thanks to Copeland not Lennox.
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