if you believe you can handle hvac/r repairs as good as a qualified service tech then yes, i do want to test your knowledge.
the compressor drawing to much current would indeed burn the connection, but this is the side effect of what problem? .....of course you dont have any idea. this is where field experience comes in.
on the other hand, since there is nothing difficult about this trade i wish you and your family the best of luck. please dont kill them.
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So, Dido, how old are you? I am 63 going on 64. Happy turkey day to you too.
Bob
Sounds like you found the lowest bidder. Congrats Bubba
You keep wanting to put words in my mouth. I didn't say there was nothing difficult, I said SOME OF IT was not difficult.
Shorted windings. Or a problem in the lines or evap causing an excessive high side pressure. At this point in the problem once I had figured out that the compressor was probably drawing too much current I would call a service guy. I don't have the equipment to follow this particular problem much further.
I noticed you didn't have any complaints about the limit switch answer :-)
68 going in 69! Like wise Happy turkey
day to you and yours DIDO
James, in a previous post you said that HVAC-R isn't a science. I'd beg to differ. I have to know many things that can be considered scientific in nature. I have to know the properties of many materials and how they will react in a given situation. It is a part of our jobs to experiment with different chemicals, air flows, gasses, refrigerants, steam, controls, setpoints, temperatures, programs, timers, valves, flow controls, etc, to make the most efficient and/or best operating system we can manage with the tools and knowledge we have at hand. 8oz. of refrigerant can easily cost you 10% or better on your monthly electric bill.
Do you want the company that just adds enough refrigerant to make your system cool or do you want the person who will go about charging your system scientifically and thus having the most reliable, efficient, and stable system possible.
The bottom line is that those of us who have spent any amount of time (18+ years myself) learning and bettering ourselves in this field don't take condescending remarks any better than if I were to say the same about your chosen profession. What is it that you do for a living? Chances are that I can do it too.
...Ron
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In my humble opinion, your perception of arrogance is somewhat true. This is usenet by the way, the armpit of the internet. Secondly, after kissing ass all day and trying to pacify those we have to deal with, who also think that there is nothing to it, probably sets some HVAC&R people off when we get it here also.
Richard posted for all of us...
Dickie, what is it YOU do for a living, so we can take potshots at it.
Science is the gathering of previously unknown information or properties through developing theorems and testing the validity of them. An hvac technician is using already known properties of materials and equipment to achieve the proper operation of that equipment. Technical yes, but not science. You don't experiment, you calibrate. If you were developing a new refrigerant that would be experimenting. You really want to lay claim that an hvac technician is the same skill level as as, say, a phd chemist?
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OK, I will bite. Just HOW is a homeowner/customer supposed to know if a bidder is truthful when he says he does "Quality work?" I confronted him with exactly what I expected before he even looked at the task. Knowing what I expected, he made a bid. With that bid, I would expect a profit for himself.
Often when someone like myself asks the opinion of those like yourself who profess to know your work and do quality work, you ridicule the person asking the question. Then if the HVAC craftsman does a poor job, you do not criticize the "Professional," but the one who hired him.
I do not put all HVAC people in the same group, but your profession is filled with more than your share of people who either do not know or do not care. On my prior AC system I had a "Pro" check out one of my condenser units some 30 years ago because it was not starting. Since the unit was only one year old at the time, I felt it was still under warranty. He came to the house, never even took out a voltmeter and diagnosed the problem as needing a new compressor. When I said "Replace it, it is under warranty," he told me only the parts were covered and the labor would be $400. Five minutes after he left, I fixed it myself. The leads from the thermostat going to the contactor were corroded and not making contact. The unit continued to run for some 29 years after that.
Now I do not profess to know all that a HVAC professional should know. But there are many problems that are simple if you have a little knowledge of electronics. Only a fool would fail to call someone knowledgeable when he was dealing with something beyond his competence.
In my opinion those of your profession posting in this news group would be wiser to criticize the incompetent professionals rather than blast someone looking for advice. When I worked with electronic technicians who were incompetent, I felt they made me look bad because that was my field.
So lemme take a look at this. You asked a guy that was going to sell you a "bill of goods" if he was good at what he did. He said "Yes" and you believed him? You're a freaking ding-bat. Have you heard of references? Did you do your home work? Did you check out his work either with satisfied customer phone calls or actually going and looking at his work he did somewhere? NO, I think not. You're lazy and you want it handed to you on a silver platter. Aint goina happen, Gringo.
Exactly. You hired him. If you did your homework correctly you wouldnt have a problem. Stop this blaming shit on us. If you want it done right you have to spend some time checking references.
As with any and every other profession out there. Gee, Ive never heard of a bad car mechanic, doctor, lawyer, car salesman, investment advisor, stock broker, president, etc. etc.
Once again, you are telling me you found the biggest cheapest crook on the block. "Pro" you say? Bullshit, I say. What did you do. Open the yellow pages and pick the biggest ad? That was the extent of your homework. And 30 yrs ago you did the same amout of homework you are doing today. I guess some people like you just never learn.
You sure you arent an Engineer? Bubba
Furnaces older than 10 years or so are just like the older cars. There wasn't much to them and any one with a little mechanical ability and the willingness to research a repair could fix most things wrong with them.
Today's furnaces are more like today's cars. You need special gadgetry (how'd you like that word) to diagnose them. You need alot more knowledge into the innards of the equipment. I do not know squat about cars, I just know if it is more than fluid exchanges I need to stay away from it.
I know HVAC so I can comment on that. If you are not properly trained you may get it to work. I am not losing a dime by not giving you information here, nor is anyone else. I could give you the wrong answer, that in this litigious society could possibly cause me problems.
You will find guys from all walks of the HVAC world on this group, you will also find some who are not in the field at all, and a few people hang around just to get under others skin. All of us, on occasion, get tired of the same old home owner questions. They don't give us enough information to help them, some you can tell are dangerous to themselves, some just start out nasty because they heard we were a bunch of jerks in here (don't quite know why they came here then), or they don't like the answers that we give them anyway. If we don't answer their questions they go on tirades about how we are all rapists and crooks, and belittle the competency that we truly need for our jobs. On occasion we may answer or deal with that person in a slightly rude way, or mess with their heads for a while
Some are a little more militant in their style, probably because they have been dealing with it alot longer than others.
It's usenet, it's unmoderated, you can pretty much do what ever you want to say or do. No one has to be nice to you.
This newsgroup is a far cry from what the industry and it's employees really are. They guys that reply that are from the industry and work out on the street just got done working 8-10 hours listening to customers complain about how much everything costs. Do you really think they want to go relax on the internet and deal with home owners that think we charge too much. They may want to bullshit with other guys just like them.
I hope every one has a wonderful Thanksgiving. God Bless and enjoy your families.
You are a bluthering idiot if you don't think HVAC is not a science. I can't think of many of it's operations that do not have to do with science.
...........and now you are demonstrating your lack of knowledge in the definition of science.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source sci?ence /'sa??ns/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sahy-uhns] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-noun 1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences. 2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation. 3. any of the branches of natural or physical science. 4. systematized knowledge in general. 5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study. 6. a particular branch of knowledge. 7. skill, esp. reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.
-- Bob Pietrangelo snipped-for-privacy@comcast.net snipped-for-privacy@comfort-solution.biz
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Bzzzzzt - wrong answer.
Try another question, if I had to use water as a refrigerant what conditions would I need at the evaporator?
Much clipped........
Are you saying that a licensed HVAC person should NOT have been believed??? Often the accusation is made that the customer did not make clear what he wanted or expected. I did so, and he LIED just to get the job. THIS is my fault????????
I am a ding-bat for believing what he said? Am I also one for believing YOU??
Did YOU read the previous comments I posted about how I asked my neighbors about reputable HVAC personnel??? You seem to be admitting that there are too many licensed people performing the HVAC job who are not doing good work? With THAT I agree. What I do not agree with, is that it is the total responsibility of the customer to discover who these people are before they hire them.
If you took your car to someone to have it serviced, and made it clear exactly what you wanted, would it be YOUR fault if the mechanic did poor work??? I think NOT!!! I don't blame you for trying to defend someone in your trade, but I also believe you do yourself a disservice by defending the indefensible.
No, I called the company whose name was on the installation brochures. I thought that someone who had installed the units would be more familiar with them than someone who had not. Remember, I had only been in the house (NEW by the way) for about a year.
That was the extent of your
I find it interesting that you do not even address the fact that the serviceman was perpetrating a fraud by suggesting work that was NOT needed. Loyalty to others in your profession is one thing, but defending the indefensible is shameful.
No, but I am beginning to feel qualified to hang out a shingle for HVAC work!!!
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