On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 04:02:28 -0500, Richard J Kinch
Poor Richard. It sounds like you got fucked real hard by a serviceman
because you were too stupid to change your own dirty filter. Life must
suck to be you.
Sally, I have seen many many many coils now lasting only 2, 3 , 5
years and then leaking. Sad but true. Ive replaced 3 so far this week.
If your system is 30 years old you probably dont know what a leaky
coil is. The older ones were made differently. Check out the weight of
the older ones versus the new ones and you will understand. Your coil
could very well be leaking. It could also be several other things.
Electronic leak checking just isnt hard. If you dont like the opinion
you got, get another.
Now, how about posting that pic of your tits.
and of the three you've replaced, were they of the cheaper
constructed, thinner variety that typically last 2, 3 or 5 years?
besides lining your pockets with cash, are you solving the problem?
replacing leaky coils with other potentially leaky coils isnt the
answer, however it does provide us with job security..... :-))
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:38:22 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Okay "fish". I'll bite.
YES, the ones Ive replaced are the newer shit. In particular, Lennox,
Goodman and Carrier this past week. None newer than 6 yrs old.
Am I solving a problem you ask? I am solving the customers problem at
present. Can I solve the manufacturers problem of making a coil that
last longer? Hell No. I wont even try. I install what's available. I
dont make the shit. I just sell and install it.
Soooooo, that being said, What are you doing? Manufacturing your own
Installing a contrapction that auto feeds refrigerant to a leaky coil?
Holding the customers handkerchief while they sob controllably to you?
I give, "fish". What magic are you performing that makes your customer
happy, makes coils last forever, takes away job security and doesnt
line your pocket with cash?
Speak Oh wonderous one.
bad news dood...you just munched on my shit filled twinkie
your wish is my command
until you've tried it yourself, you dont have a leg to stand on.
so dont even try. http://www.cliplight.com/hvacr /
coil changeouts can be problematic, and not huge profit centers
way too much labor
drop this stuff in at 1/3-1/2 the cost of a new coil and viola!
problem solved, happy campers, and you with serious coin.
you'd crap your pants if i told you how much i charge for this stuff,
If ya did your homework, you would have discovered the fact that this
product solidifies ONLY as it leaks thru an opening and is exposed to
AIR. It mixes with refrigerant OIL, and goes wherever that oil
Hell yes, I've seen evap coils with oil-vapor locked feeder tubes, but
the addition of a suction P-trap eliminated those situations....
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:45:27 GMT, email@example.com wrote:
Actually I did do the homework. Took the test. Read all the info
(actually a couple weeks ago) and then even found my local supplier
has it. They have a box of them there at the counter. Dont believe one
can has been sold in a couple weeks yet.
To me, it seems as though it acts as a glue when it finds a leak.
Something like epoxy or maybe? To me, that isnt a fix for a leak.
Copper leaks need to be brazed and Im not brazing a bunch of
microscopic formicary corrosion leaks.
Im just going to leave it as..........
Im not sold yet. Maybe its a good product but I'll wait till the
verdict comes in.
I guess I might add one thing further. You say its great. You also
imply that anyone installing a new coil knows its going to leak well
before its time (I believe that too)
does that mean since you think this stuff works so well that when you
do install a new system with a new coil, do you automatically add this
stuff to your new installs?
Remember, you asked me what I am doing to correct the coil problems so
Im now asking you the same thing.
Bubba, first & foremost, I have the highest respect for you, your
trade knowledge and your business ethics & integrity. We both know
formicary corrosion is like shit, it happens. It wasnt my intent to
attack your business practices, more at being able to offer your coil
replacement customers a choice.
Two yrs ago I too was as skeptic as all hell about the product. The
local j-stones guy said he couldnt keep the product in stock. I
broke down & purchased one can. Awhile later on a svc call 40 miles
out in the boonies I had to re-charge a unit I gassed up exactly one
yr before, 20 yr old 3 ton pkg hp. carrier aluminum condenser coil.
I thought what the hell, I'll give it a try. I've used it 7-8 times
now. splits & packages, 2.5 tons to 30+. No callbacks. Cows died.
As for choices, Mrs Smith would you like to try a new coil for $1900
that may or may not leak in the next 2-7 years, or would you like to
try this new stop leak product that the manufacturer claims will stop
current & future leaks, installed for $799.95? That includes any
refrigerant to bring your system up to a factory recommended charge,
new pleated filter at the air handler, condenser coil cleaning, and
how many more bells & whistles can you list?
Mrs Smith says, well wait a minute Fish, I know you paid $79.95 for
that product, and now you want to sell it to me for $799.95???
No Mrs Smith, I am not selling it to you for $799.95.
For $799.95 you're getting a permanant solution to your leaky coil, a
system recharged to factory specs,all the bells & whistles, plus I'm
saving you $1100.05 in the process.
For me Bubba, Mrs Smith doesnt exist. Rarely if ever do I interface
with the person paying the bill on svc work. I do the work, send off
the invoice for any amount I want, and within net 15 or net 30, the
check arrives. if they squawk over pricing, they get billed even more
the next time.
You see Bubba, I have ulterior motives in using this product,
especially on older systems. My market niche is primarily prop mgmt
on commercial bldgs, & we both know how cheap some mgmt can be.
Instead of replacing those old dogs with 10 seer units, hahaha, guess
what? Now they have to buy 13 seer. Moooooo
would I install the product on a new install? probably not. a new
install that leaked and I could trace the leak to the evap? you bet,
in a heartbeat.
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:45:51 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
And as for you Fish........"Im good". No problems with you at all.
Steam that got vented and water under the bridge. As you know, my
twinkie gets overfilled with shit and its gotta come out somewhere.
You were the lucky catcher. :-)
Yes the price you charge seems very high but then on the other hand it
doesnt. AFter all, Ballplayers getting paid millions of dollars, BP
making 76 Billion in profits and our Federal goverment spending
Trillions that they dont have. All the while we are all sitting around
paying $3 a gallon for gas. Whats right and whats wrong?
The can of stop leak is interesting to say the least. Like anything
else, it just has to be marketed and sold properly. Id certainly be
interested in a longer (5-7yr) study on how well it holds up. It'll
keep me thinking..............
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:42:35 GMT, email@example.com wrote:
So you're pumping "smoke and mirror" crap into a system and charging
$600 for a can that cost you $40.
You've just proved yourself the worst of all theives. I'll stick with
replacing the coils. You can stick with looking over your shoulder for
that one customer that catches on to what you're doing and chases you
down with a gun.
Have a nice life, fish.
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:42:35 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
and further more fish, I just gotta ask...................
What does your customer say when you show them that little can and
tell them you are going to charge them $400 - $600 to install it in 5
What? You dont show them the can? What? You make up some story about
what you are going to do that will cost half the price of a new coil
and work just as well?
Shame on you fish. I'll bet you have those old folks lined up waiting
for you to come over and fuck em hard!
Nothing wrong with it if you are explaining that it is new/newer and
there isnt any long term studies on it yet and you are charging a
reasonable price but I dont think you are doing any of that.
Okay, Im done. I could go on forever but you live in your little world
and I'll stay in mine. I like to sleep well at night.
i recently went on a call to give a second opinion on an evap coil
replacement. the tenant was getting water on the floor and the last service
company told them the drain pan was rusted through and it would be $1200 to
replace it. it ended up that the PLASTIC drain pan wasnt rusted at
all.......the drain line was plugged and a $10 shot of nitrogen (plus the
cost of the service call - $70) fixed it right up. know your service
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