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I see the biggest problem with people is specialization. People become dependent on each other. Team sports requires a leader and each member of that team are specialist for success. People need to become self reliant for a better life. When a specialist fails, the team fails. If more self reliant people are around survival will be greater.
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Fear may jog people out of their apathy and get things moving, but first they have to know that a problem exists. In the US 90% of the news is controlled by 5 corporations, and because they are interlocked, they all give us pretty much the same pablum.
* 83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people.
* 66 percent of the income growth between 2001 and 2007 went to the top 1% of all Americans.
* The top 1 percent of U.S. households own nearly twice as much of America's corporate wealth as they did 15 years ago.
* Despite the financial crisis, the number of millionaires in the United States rose 16 percent to 7.8 million in 2009.
* As of 2007, the bottom 80 percent of American households held about 7% of the liquid financial assets.
* The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent of the nation's wealth.
Giant Sucking Sound
Obviously, the top 1% of income earners think business is right on target, and we shouldn't change a thing, despite the 16,000 children who will die today from hunger and related illnesses.
If we do get out of line, Haliburton has built new detention centers for us, and it won't be the friendly face of the National Guard who arrests us, it will be the Xe (Black Water) mercenaries, as in New Orleans.
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Yeah. Sad ain't it? :-))

I wish I knew. I suspect that there are few people who actually spend time thinking and unless/until that happens, how on earth can any change take place? There has to be a scintilla of thought that there is in fact a problem before there is either recognition that something has to be done (and by individuals as much as governments).
People still don't even seem to have made the connection between excess speed and fuel consumption and yet they still complain that fuel costs are inordinate but don't seem capable of driving at less than 10 km/hour OVER the speed limit. If they can't grasp that simple concept, how is anything more complex going to percolate to the surface in those dim brains?

Yup. Too few brains around being used I suspect.

Or keep them frozen like a bunny in the headlights.
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Hope must be a realistic possibility I would have thought. Have you looked at people's houses and gardens lately? Not enough space to do anything useful except park the 2 cars, the boat/jet ski/caravan trailer and have a rim of decorative plants around the edge of the pool. A wasted and wastrel existence TMWOT. I wouldn't let such tossers near my veggie garden because they wouldn't know a plantain from a tomato.
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I agree with that FarmI. I hate team sports and never watch them. I prefer to watch individuals sports, if i actually ever watch sport of any kind, like running or biking.
I was going to comment on that also. The key word here is "Religion". People who believe are those of a "team" like mind. Very difficult to change those mind sets.
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Opiate of the masses and all that jazz. There never was a more apt description of religious zeal IMHO.
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Funny, how foxholes can change that perspective ;O)
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"FarmI" wrote:

Is "squits" some down-under sexually transmitted disease... just askin'.
http://www.fairychronicles.com/Fairy-Handbook/Squits.html
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"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message

No it's not. It means very loose bowels.
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The old saying "Who said that the human race was rational" actually the correct word was "logical" from star trek. Yes, religion does play into an optimist view point. A god would not let this happen. One more reason I see no hope for the human race.
As an atheist, I know it is an impossible task to change people's view point on many things. Perhaps if you view that only an optimist can change peoples view point then maybe I will agree on that.
I will let it end here. You can have the last word if you wish.
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Don't agree. More of a personality thing. Religion certainly plays no part in my case. Remember the Sunshine Makers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tZKZiIn1Yg

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I am happy as can be since my retirement... I am enjoying this life at this moment... Could not be better... Well I could use great looking chick half my age :)
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 19:02:38 +0000 (UTC), Nad R

She'd kill you, and get all your stuff... you're better off with three year old Bessy.
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Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

I really do wish prostitution was legal in Michigan. However for companionship there is the dog which is probably better than a wife. Also I read somewhere I am now in the majority... Only 48 percent of Americans are married, an all time low.
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Foxholes can be dangerous to your atheism :O)
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Yep.
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We only have one and it's tiny and not used for powere generation - something to do with nuclear medicine IIRC.

Unfortunately I don't think that 'they' are even saying that much. I think that those who should be saying 'we can fix it', either don't know there is a problem, or are ignoring it because anything needing fixing is (they think) beyond the next election.
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On Mon, 30 May 2011 10:08:59 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@verizon.net wrote:

Extreme climates but predictably so. However there are risks there; for example in the tropics monsoons may fail.

Yes, the variable sort. This will make growing more difficult in two ways.
Variation in climate from the one you have now, so things that suit may not suit in future. Of course other things that don't suit now may suit in future. Both are going to be challenges of adaptation.
Secondly, stronger variations in weather, that is more extreme weather events. Dry may get drier, wet may get wetter, storms may get stronger. This is another challenge.

True, but a failed monsoon will affect hundreds of millions of people. Also tropical rain in what was the dry season will promote the spread of disease (like denque fever which has no immunisation) over wide areas.

Heat waves can be deadly for the old and weak in cool climates where neither buildings nor people are prepared to cope.
But you are right that we must be optimistic. I don't mean the foolish optimism of the deniers (if we close our eyes it will go away) but optimism that we can adapt.

Yes.
Ever heard the curse "may you live in interesting times"?
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I love that saying.
When things really start going down the drain, you still find solace. "At least it's interesting".
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I suppose you also like the saying "Suffering Builds Character" also.... NOT!
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The human race will figure it out or go the way or perish.
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