Try Kerry for giving aid and comfort to the enemy

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Sorry. No left turns. We're discussing Kerry & Jane Fonda, not economic theory. You injected Lenin into the conversation, even though it had absolutely nothing to do with the subject. I called you on it, as was appropriate, because as you ran out of breathing room, you pulled the old "socialism" nonsense out of your hat.
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Actually Jane Fonda like Lenin was a red herring. At base the argument remains a loony paraphrase of the Switnut inventions which demand first that one believes one of the world's great humanitarians, Nguyen Thi Binh, constitutes a sinister delegation, & second that Kerry met with her in 1971 (or 1970 as Intarsia's increasingly goofy Swiftnut paraphrase would have it). The two assumptions are false; Binh was not evil incarnate let alone a plurality of demons, & Kerry never met with her or any other delegation (or multiple delegations as the poor paraphrase would have it). When a fellow is repeating lies this big & not even capable of an accurate cut-&-paste, it does become necessary for that sort of dufus to truck out red herrings & kitchen sinks & argue those instead, since the argument is lost anyway. It's like the chap I corrected when he claimed all Jews are communists, who got so pissed off that he accidentally lampooned himself with a classic nutbag red herring, "Oh yeah? Well, it's a GOOD thing Nixon helped kill those commy jew Rosenbergs!"
But if Jane were the all-new topic, the worst that could be said against her is that she was once the flipside of the kind of raving Swiftnuts we have today, who likewise would like some of us to believe what they want us to believe & truth be damned. Interasia swallowed their hook so becomes himself the flipside of Hanoi Jane's worst moment of folly. But the likes of the Swiftnuts & other Bush sycophants are worse than Jane, because she has for twenty years admitted to having been a dunderhead, but the Swiftnuts are descending deeper into old age never having grown up.
Jane has learned to embrace a fuller truth than her blinders & gullibility permitted when she was young. The Swiftnuts & their ilk just stay the flipside of preposterous myths, bigotted follies, old-hat red-baiting, & frequent loony inventions that liken even a moderately progressive attitude as tanatamount to being a communist traitor. So in terms of ability to grow & gain some slight respect for truth & decency, the Swiftnut types remain very smallminded lying dirty propogandists, in contrast to Jane Fonda who is today merely an innocuous old woman with an arch-conservative ex-husband, a serious case of depression not helped by realizing what a fool she once was, & a late-in-life wet-one for Jesus.
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Reuters reports "Bush voted Movie Villain of the Year" by a Total Film poll. Bush won out over evil atomic scientist Doctor Octopus from Spider-Man 2, fellow Texan Leatherface from the remake of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Golem in Lord of the Rings III, & Elle Driver (Daryl Hannah's the eyepatch assassin in Kill Bill II).
"The overwhelming response of our readers voting Bush top villain just goes to show how frightening people found him in Fahrenheit 9/11," Total Film's editor Matt Mueller told Reuters. "He was absolutely terrifying in that film. The infamous scene where he's informed about the Twin Towers attack while visiting a school, & sits there absolutely paralysed, is enough to strike fear into anyone's heart."
About 10,000 people voted in the poll. All winners will be seen in the upcomping issue of Total Film magazine on the stands November 4.
Original story: <http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=entertainmentNews&storyIDa0550&section=news
This could well turn out to be Bush's only big win for 2004.
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:10:32 -0400, paghat wrote

paghat,
You might be interested in this column by David Brooks in the NY times a few days ago:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/23/opinion/23brooks.html?n=Top%2fOpinion % 2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fColumnists%2fDavid%20Brooks
It should be free for a couple more days. I often find Brooks grasping at straws, but I think this one is pretty good. It does provide a possible explanation for the divide which doesn't depend on the traditional factors (which as you point out don't seem to explain much): "Republicans ... admire leaders who are straight-talking men of faith. ... doesn't have to be book-smart, and probably shouldn't be ... introspective. ... Democrats ... emphasize such skills as being knowledgeable and thoughtful. The value leaders who can see complexities, who possess the virtues of the well-educated".
I thought it was good.
Now, my neighborhood has, I'd guess, about 350 houses. I've walked or biked most of the streets lately, and I've found five (5) with Bush signs. Probably half the rest have Kerry signs. It's a neighborhood that was mostly built up in the 1950s and 1960s, with most houses on half-acre lots yet close to the center of town. Great place for gardeners, except for the high incidence of highly invasive exotics. Perhaps there's a correlation.
Edward
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:40:38 -0400, paghat wrote

Interesting observations. Now that you mention it, I noticed that a few houses which have had flag signs out since 9/11, don't have any political signs now.
Coincidence? You Decide. ;-)
Edward
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Come on, Billy Joe! Make him squeeeeeal like a pig <burp>! <banjo music>
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Kerry's campaign said earlier this year that he met on the trip with Nguyen Thi Binh, then foreign minister of the PRG and a top negotiator at the talks. Kerry acknowledged in that testimony that even going to the peace talks as a private citizen was at the "borderline" of what was permissible under U.S. law, which forbids citizens from negotiating treaties with foreign governments.
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I guess you were OK with Kissinger going to the talks and discussing peace (out of one side of his mouth), while being part of the cover up of the bombing of Cambodia. So, a snake who's "officially authorized" is better than an honest man who's not?
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If Kerry's actions were criminal and apparently known at the time, why then did the govt not prosecute? Perhaps there was no crime?
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:35:05 -0700, "Anonny Moose"

Not only was there no crime the VVAW heroes played a major part in the ending of the atrocities!
(still can't help but wonder how it is that the most outspoken critics ditched military service)
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talks.
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Of course there wasn't. This entire discussion revolves around the beliefs of a deluded individual who gets his "facts" from the Borg mother ship, also known as Rush.
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On 25 Oct 2004 17:01:02 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (IntarsiaCo) wrote:

Christ not reds under the bed! As an American we had a right to speak out against our government and it's murdering policies in Vietnam. Try visiting the Vietnam veterans against the War web pages and see that we as brothers in the struggle agree with Kerry. He did the right thing instead of burying his head in the sand and letting his experiences in Vietnam haugnt him like many vets have!
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