I have a truckload of the stuff sitting out front. It looks like slightly
dried and aged steer manure, I'm not sure how much it's been "composted".
I'm guessing it might be a bit hot and should be used sparingly. Anyone have
experience with this stuff?
Dump it into a pyramid shaped pile. Add two steer horns and cover
with a tarp. Remove in 3 .3 decades and spread it about . The horns
should be filled with sand.
Na just spread the shit about. You seem to be well on your way.
Bill who has a horn in water in my basement for about 30 years.
Take a look at
You probably don't want to use it on anything that you'll be harvesting
in the next three months, if it hasn't been commercially composted, i.e.
done in very large lots to generate the heat needed to kill pathogens.
Manure should be at least six months old before use. By mushroom
compost, do you mean the medium that the mushrooms grow in? If so, that
is probably horse manure and was sterilized before it was used for
mushrooms (good to go). These are fertilizers, if I read you properly, a
source of nitrogen for the plants, not what gardeners usually think of
as mulch, which is usually worm food.
Like mulch, leave six foot radius around the tree clear, if you plan to
feed them. Most plants could do well with a side dressing about now.
It is aged, you can tell by looking at it, but there is no telling how long
it was aged. It has a fairly pleasant odor (for manure, that is) which would
indicate some aging. I think I'll go sparingly just in case...hate to fry my
plants with hot manure.
Then use it now and dont' let the nutrients escape into the ground in a non
useful place. Don't put it around the base of lettuce or parsley but
anything that will be harvested from above the level of the poop will love
it as will your worms.
I disagree strongly with this. I use manure pretty fresh and always have.
It just depends on where you use it.
I think that the taboos about manure stem from old books (mostly from
Europe) which all talk about "aged manure". I suspect that most people
believe that without ever having tried it really fresh.
I agree. I live in the midst of cattle country and we run horses as well.
Manure from either can be used within a few weeks of date of plop when it has
Manure from birds (chickens, turkeys etc) is another matter altogether as the
content of nutrients is much higher. It must be diluted and/or composted
and/or aged before use. I prefer diluting and composting in with other plant
material as these help to retain the nutrients as just leaving it lying in a
heap will allow the soluble nutrients (especially nitrogen compounds) to leach
away. This usually results in great growth of grass downslope from the pile
which may not be what you want.
As for the neccesity of hot composting and sterilizing I think the risk of
picking up a pathogen from the manure of a herbivore is greatly over
estimated. Sure there are E.Coli and other pathogens that can live in humans
in their guts but we all live in a microbiological soup. The air, the water
and every object we touch is covered in microbes by the gazillion. Living
isn't something you can do sterile.
There are a great many people in the western world who live in big cities who
are horrified at the thought of anything that has come out of the arse of a
living creature. [I always knew that a boiled egg is the work of the devil]
I have had people ask me "where do the horses go to the bathroom?" When I
replied "where ever they please" they were horrified.
You have only to look at the vast market for fancy surface cleansers, coloured
stuff to put down your toilet etc, most of which is entirely pointless, to see
how this fear is reinforced by vested interests. Much of this squeamishness
is based on the fear that one spot of fecal matter on ones skin will
automatically result in an illness. You wash before eating don't you? You
have an immune system don't you? But you are a bad parent whose children
ought be taken away if your whole bathroom isn't sprayed with Zeppo Ultraclean
I would say changing the dirty nappy of an infant is far more dangerous (not
to mention unpleasant) than spreading barrows full of not fully composted cow
Kinda confusing, the FDA and other naysayers of animal poop. The last
tainted spinach thing, that found the couple of rows where it was located in
a farm in California. Uphill from there, cattle graze. They heavily
implied the cow manure during heavy rain was the culprit. But, didn't come
out and say it was for sure. Seems more rhetoric and guessing, than science
Keep the feces out of the water. Feces on the land that is breaking
down not the problem. I have had many tons of chicken feces spread
about here in the past along with with wood chip it sort of invites a
vitality. I would not like it in my water supply .
So what is the problem? Perhaps long times of produce sitting about
and driven a few thousand miles. The labels in my supermarket suggest
when to sell by but not when they arrived. Then misted to suggest
My conclusion is that the FDA simply does not really know the actual source
of E-coli in recent grocery produce problems. And, they will probably never
will now, or, in such future outbreaks.
Commonly, the workers in the grocery produce department place the newly
arrived stuff in the rear of the bin, the best they can.
Shirley (couldn't resist) you wouldn't drink water that was fresh
run-off from a cow pasture. We be talking shit here, I don't care what
animal it came out of. Don't try to obscure the issue with your wiley
Shirley, who the hell is Shirley?
(couldn't resist) you wouldn't drink water that was fresh
Yep, we ARE talking shit here, but shit from cattle, not human shit.
I had assumed that as someone who continually tries to educate people to
follow the organic path, you would understand that plants like cattle shit
and in fact all animal shit. Human shit has no place in any domestic garden
and no-one suggested drinking cattle shit.
Don't try to obscure the issue with your wiley
Well if by "Australian pas de deux" you mean that David and I are trying to
get you to discuss this topic using logic and/or experience, then I guess
I'd have to plead guilty. It sure beats doing the Texas two step.
We were talking cow shit so why suddenly introduce the topic of human shit?
Fran, you don't mind me calling you Fran, do you? Good.
You don't keep up with cutting edge of American culture?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3rXK7NhWN8 explains all.
Maybe I should have said Shelia but that doesn't have any resonance here.
Oh goodie, your back ;o) and brought your muscle with you:o( I was
beginning to think that you had one too many Fosters and had gone to the
waller for a nice lie down, now I find you've been prattling on about
taxonomy (let's keep it to Chordata Tetrapoda), while I was talking
about "enteric bacteria - rod-shaped Gram-negative bacteria; most occur
normally or pathogenically in intestines of humans and other animals."
The operative word here is
I'm sure that plants do like doo, unless it's too much doo and fries
My point is, my painfully obtuse friend, is that the ingestion of
green doo (be it sipped or chewed) may lead to predictable and avoidable
consequences (you get sick). You should avoid root crops in conjunction
with green doo. Leafy vegetables could be contaminated by rain splashing
doo onto the plant, so either mulch them to eliminate splashing or don't
grow them. Fruiting crops are probably safe; train any vining ones such
as cucumbers or tomatoes onto a support so that the fruit is off the
ground. Thoroughly wash any produce from the garden before eating it.
Or you could just use aged manure and save yourself the trouble of the
doo dos and the doo don'ts.
Or you could doo it Bush's way and just irradiate it, doo and all,
(yumm, yumm) and that would be the end of the problem (they say).
To put a finer point on it, I was stressing (1) the FACT that feces is
a source for pathogenic organisms (see definition above) and (2) this
concern abates after three to four months of dry warmth and sunshine.
If you would simply engage that dormant organ under your hat, these
conversations would go more quickly ;o))
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