I have noticed the overlap too.
To your body, carbs are the same thing a sugar.
That bowl of pasta, rice, bean, potatoes,
corn, to your body, is exactly the same as eating
a bowl of sugar.
Now if you are one five out of six that is not
going to get Diabetes eating the stuff, go for it.
When I went to the ER (emergency room) and got
diagnosed, I had just finished a great big
bowl of spaghetti. I didn't know any better,
I believed the Special interests and the
bull poop about "healthy carbs" (there is no
The food part of Paleo just gets you off the
artificially hybridized for carbohydrates foods.
For instance, flour is mainlining sugar. (You
can sugar pecan flour or coconut flour. And,
exciting new, coffee flour. It is made from the
pulp of the berry, not the bean and has little
carbs and almost no caffeine.)
Basically, you have to start cooking again.
Freeze your stuff and thaw later for fast food.
Stay away from the food like substances and
processed (cured) meats. And lots and lots of
variety. Pretty much what you said.
If you must eat fast food, get a rotatory chicken.
(Better to get and organic one and cook it your
self. But as I said before, don't obsess on it.)
I have to disagree with you on the "just another
way to sell books" and Paleo. It just pokes
the special interests in the eyes. And, you are
correct, there will always those that will want
Mark Sisson is the one I follow and he has been at
it all his life (a Diabetic since his teens).
Mark offers his advice free of charge. (You
can buy his books if you want, but all his info
is freely posted.)
Here is his web site:
Oh man, he just posted a recipe posted for "Better Than
Fried Chicken with Coconut Aminos Dipping Sauce":
And bean in mind that "fad" typically only last a
few months. I have been on it for over a year and
a half. And it got me off those idiot nasty drugs.
I live a normal life. There is no longer any danger of
my feet falling off, my kidneys dying, my heart failing,
I have stopped losing weight, etc..
I don't live in fear anymore. And I eat so,
so well !!! A lot of Mark's followers have been on it
for years. I will be on it the rest of my life.
(I may be able to add a few more carbs, and I really
mean only a few, after my pancreas heals all back up.)
One of the favorite drugs (a controlled dosage of a
poison) the allopaths like to use for Diabetes is
Metformin. Among about 30 other side effects they
won't tell you about (you have to go on line) is that
is turns you into a ass hole (sorry for the swearing,
it is the best way to describe it). You think everyone
is picking on you and you strike back. I am so glad
that part of my life is gone. (So is my wife!)
You "must" (friend for "should", not a command), go read
Mark's Paleo Blue Print, if only to read the titles
of the 10 steps, which will take under a minute. It
is so close to what you speak of:
And the food, the food, the food, the food!
I am trying to add Eggplant to my cherry tomatoes
in this year's (organic, of course) garden.
I planted Russian garlic and Dutch shallots too.
This home grown stuff makes my eyes roll in my head
it is so good. Especially now that I am off the
unnatural amounts of carbs and can ACTUALLY TASTE
DRUG FREE AND ALLOPATH FREE SINCE SEPTEMBER 2013!!!
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a lot of it comes down to a few needs of a packaged
food and of course money. keep it from rotting for a
long time and keep it palatable while sitting on a shelf
for months at a time. sugars, salts, additives to keep
fats stable, keep moisture in the product and not out
condensing on the inside of the packaging. and then
the money factor where the added ingredients are often
i'm glad you made it through the treatments.
the large salad keeps me feeling full all night.
i joke about how much exercise i get just eating it.
normally, with a very dense food with a lot of
calories, i can eat way too fast (two minutes or
less) and that makes it easy to overdo it. with the
large bowl of salad i can't eat it that fast and
the calories are much less.
On Saturday, May 31, 2014 6:50:46 AM UTC-7, songbird wrote:
Fran, was that you who wrote about "full tummmy at night"?
Now I'm nobody to preach, but I have read studies on weight as follow: Sub
jects in group A ate their last meal around 3 PM. Subjects in Group B ate
their last meal at 6 pm. Subjects in Group C ate their last meal at 9 PM.
ISTR the 3:00 group lost the most weight, followed by the 6, with 9 coming
in last. Supposedly the slower metabolism at night doesn't work as hard.
HAH! So true! I'm a carb freak and have to fight to make myself prepare d
ark green vegs, though I love my broccoli when I finally make it. Unlike on
e of our former Presidents:
"I do not like broccoli. And I haven't liked it since I was a little kid an
d my mother made me eat it. And I'm President of the United States and I'm
not going to eat any more broccoli.
George H. W. Bush"
As to longer consumption times <g> for breakfast, I usually eat Scotch oats
-- the granular ones -- but sometimes I'll take the time to build a choppe
d salad of whatever's around, sprinkled with Israeli feta cheese and lemon
juice from my tree. (Mouth watering; must hastily log off...)
I would add carbs to that because they are so cheap and
addictive. And chemicals out the wazoo. And MSG
under 99 other names (yeast extract, torula yeast,
etc.) to add to the addition factor.
My gosh, you can even buy a bottle of pickles!
Good news on that front: Raley's and Trader Joe's
have organic ones. Use Turmeric for color.
By the way, when I started reading labels, I found that
"low fat" meant "higher carb". I always go for the "Full
Fat" now. (I just make sure it is organic, so I don't
get a lot of nasty chemicals masked off in the fat.)
By the way, there is strong evidence that low fat dairy,
not normal fat, are those ones causing a lot of the dairy
problems. Here is a nice article on it:
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i've always seen recommendations to include a
variety of types in a patch to encourage good
fruit setting/filling. my own experience here
bears that out.
as we don't have a formal compost pile to
put scraps in i put them in the worm bins, but
after several years of having squash and melon
seeds pushing up through my other seedlings i
decided the past few years to separate as much
out as i can before putting things in the worm
bins and to put the seeds into only one of the
worm bins (that one doesn't go out into the
gardens each spring).
as most squash seeds are great when roasted
i've taken to squeezing them out of the pulp
(do not add any water) and drying them on a tray
before rubbing the last bits of stuff off them.
i have a good supply now for planting. if we
had more empty fields about i'd be scattering
them in those to see if i can get a wild
population established. i'm hoping i can get
out in the back area (on the other side of the
large drainage ditch) and scatter a bunch of
squash and melon seeds back there. likely
most of them will be animal food, but that's
If you're eating foods that come in a package printed with a list of
ingredients then you're eating poison.
Sage is one herb I don't care for. Someone who doesn't use herbs and
spices... your typical TIADer (Taste In Ass Disease'er) who thinks
drive thru mystery meat burgers are the be all to end all. When I
cook a stew, soup, meat loaf, etc. it may contain 30+ ingredients. I
never eat any ground meat that I didn't grind myself. Why do the
number of ingredients matter?!?!? My spice, herb, and dehy locker
must contain over 300 ingredients... at least a dozen dried mushrooms,
and as many dried peppers. If you consume previously ground pepper
rather than grinding your own peppercorns then you are consuming roach
parts and rodent turds. If you eat previously ground mystery meat you
are eating diseased food, it contains cancers that are not picked out.
Cut up chicken parts comes from diseased chickens, the diseased parts
go to make pet food. 99.9% of the food info you hear about on TV or
read is 100% myth and lies dreamed up by pinheads. There is no such
thing as organic foods, not on this planet.... organic food is a scam
to rip off those with more dollars than brain cells.
Silly generalisation. The concept is that you don't eat factory produced
food with a list of processed food-like substances and chemicals as long as
your arm. The trouble is this leaves out a vast amount of perfectly healthy
home-cooked cuisine as well. How do you make a good Indian curry with 5
It's like the bloke (Polan?) who said don't eat any food your grandmother
had never heard of. The intent is good: to leave out all those chemicals.
My grandmother had never heard of garlic or zucchini or fresh ginger
wholemeal bread. Another silly generalisation.
i did check his site. reads very
similar to a lot of other things i've
read, so yeah, to me it's a rehash,
repackaged, represented and basically
the same sort of thing you would get
from anyone who keeps up on these sorts
Metabolism can be generalized for groups of people, but there are always
outliers. IOW, there are always people who are different than normal.
I hate people who think that just because they have a diet of rabbit
poop, yogurt, and spring water, and they are somewhat healthy, it is the
key to life and anyone who doesn't toe the line is crazy.
Some particular food and cooking groups online are particularly
contentious, having a ruling cabal of six or eight individuals who
control the whole group. Pounding newcomers or anyone who does things
different into submission. the name brooklyn comes to mind. I stopped
going there after a time, figuring out that people who knew everything
had nothing to learn from me.
Depends on what you mean by "outlines". Currently,
the odds of you getting T2 Diabetes is one out of six.
If you listen to the American Diabetes Association, it
is trending to one out of three. (Consider though that
they had their hand out stretch for money when they
said that, so a healthy distrust in called for.)
This is not "wackos". This is a serious, serious
health issue. It will first maim you, then kill you.
And, I do get it. Carbs makes us happy. To have
someone come along and tell you to cut back to an
ancestral diet quantity of the things is ruining
all the fun in your life. (It isn't. Once you
learn to cook more naturally, the food is even
If you want to run the risk of T2 Diabetes,
go ahead with the unnatural amounts of carbs.
The odds are in your favor.
Don't let it go too far though. Stop before
you damage your heart, eyes, kidneys, and start
having body parts fall off. Huge swings in blood
sugar and insulin to cope will damager T0's (short
for non-diabetics) too, although not as much as
you come back down a lot faster.
You will especially love the remarks about you doing
it to yourself because you sit on your fat ass and
eat too much (fat bigots that know nothing about
By the way, I don't feel like a "victim". I feel
like a "fool". I have a healthy distrust of special
interests and big government. I should have know
Anyway, my life is so much better than my high carb
days: I have learned(ing) to cook, I garden
(grow or catch it yourself), I get to go fishing a
lot (exercise), I am closer to my family, and I feel
better than I have in years. And, I can actually
taste my food again.
I have experienced that too. I especially love the
enforcers that jump in your poop for straying a
bit off topic, except when they want to talk about
their cats. Yikes.
I have been really happy with this group of Paleos:
Very supportive of the diabetes -- very helpful
and friendly, plus no snots. A bunch of them just helped
me with Primal Muossaka this week. It came out really well!
I am hoping to have some egg plant from my garden this
year for this recipe.
And, remember that paranoids can have enemies too.
Sometimes folks like me actually have a point. I am
not saying these things to piss you off and tear that
piece of pizza out of your mouth mid bite, I am trying
to protect/help/warn others.
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Well, they certainly have been doing a good job getting our school
children to eat a healthy balanced diet, and intercepting the dangerous
contraband pb&j lunches (with cheetos) smuggled in from home.
All the brassicas have a fairly strong flavour. To enjoy them (and this
- get the right cultivar
- grow it well and pick it at the right time
- cook it appropriately
Having said that it doesn't always work out. Personal preference, which
includes our eating history back to mother's milk, may be impossible to
overcome. I don't like broccolli, my wife does. We compromise and have it
Try young fresh-cut kale leaves (cut out the ribs) torn into bits in a mixed
salad. The pungency might work quite well with other milder veges.
Dear god! They are poisoning out kids with, um,
So says the person who claims that carbohydrates are poison.
You must have found that rare carb-free carrot.
I have to wonder under which circumstances (in your anti-TheMan
life) you have spent lots of time tasting penicillin.
I don't recall taking the time to savor the flavor. It was a pill,
and I swallowed it, and moved on. Clearly you have had more frequent
Though I don't know what penicillin itself is used for anymore.
Most interesting things are resistant to that.
|Drew Lawson | If you're not part of the solution |
| | you're part of the precipitate. |
Cooked to a paste. How in the world do you consider
that fresh? I bet a cock roach wouldn't even eat it!
And, pay more attention, it is the type and preparation
I am criticizing, not fresh vegis. Remember I am
Diabetic/Paleo, I eat meat and plants (except the
artificially hybridized ones for carbs).
There are a bazillion other alternatives to pulverized
kale they could have fed them. I don't blame them for
tossing them in the trash.
There isn't. You have to ration them. And I never
said to be carb free. I said to be low carb (under 100
grams per day for healthy individuals) if you want to
avoid T2 Diabetes. You need to read more closely.
Fortunately, by the time your jaws get tied of crunching
on carrots, you are under your allocation. Cooked
carrots you have to be careful with. I use them in my
home made broths are a flavoring. Home made broths are
good for you (cave man ate marrow), not the chemistry
set garbage from the store.
They got stuck on my tongue trying to swallow them.
YUK YUK YUK KALE!
Had some problems with my teeth. You don't forget the
taste of KALE in your antibiotics!
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