I know you're in a different climate so perhaps it's not an issue, but
I would never sow Bermuda grass if I intended to garden. Here in TN,
once it gets going, it's never going to get gone.
Kate - been pulling some Bermuda grass today
I've been pulling weeds in my front yard which used to be a "lawn" but is
now a corn field. I've been only removing weeds and leaving the odd tufts
of grass to grow, but maybe if I start pulling the grass too and trying to
get rid of it, it will take over the whole yard.
But then, I'd be stuck with a lawn instead of a corn field, so...
I'd have to go along with Victoria's reply on chinch bugs. I've also
concluded by observation that ants attack grass root systems when extreme
drought conditions occur. At least that was my observation last summer on a
fire ant colony in the front yard that was basically hidden for a time.
Bermuda grass seed germinates just like any other seed. Needs alot of
moisture for a time for that to occur. If you insist on a Bermuda strain,
go with the Sahara variety that tolerates drought well.
I apologize for those who are using your post as rider for their ridicule.
Tilling brings up dormant weed seeds, such as bindweed, which
then sprout and give you tsouris for the rest of the year. Only
effective remedy short of 2-4D is constant mowing to starve the
weeds of sunlight-derived sugars.
What are you doing to maintain good, well-drained tilth?
OK. Here's where Roundup discussions always get interesting, so pick and
choose which of the responses you believe. A pair of dice is helpful, since
that roughly matches the science behind human exposure to agricultural
In my opinion, the only way to determine whether ag chemicals are safe
around humans is to test those chemicals in the same way as drugs. In other
words, dose living volunteers with the stuff. For all intents and purposes,
that never happens, although someone in this group once showed an exception.
If you're growing food at home, what's the point of taking the same risks as
commercial farmers and exposing yourself to chemicals which have not and
will never be tested for safety? Why do all that work to end up with
essentially the same result?
Use mechanical methods to deal with weeds, like the suggestions about
cardboard & mulch.
Every three years I treat my 12' wide by 600' long crushed stone driveway
plus two parking aprons with Roundup Pro Concentrate, that area is roughly
1/6 acre. I mix and spray 3 gallons of roundup pro concentrate, last time
was two years ago and it cost more than $300 (would cost $400 now) and most
of a day's labor with a 3 gallon manual pump sprayer and a lot of sweat
mixing and lugging on a hot sunny day (didn't feel the investment in a power
roadway sprayer was worth it for one time every 3 years). It would cost
roughly $2,400 to treat 2 acres of unwanted lawn with Roundup... and I
seriously doubt vegetables would grow there for at least a year... I know
from personal experience that the effect of Roundup continues for a long
time, that's why I can get by with an application every three years... it's
been two years now and vegetation is starting to move in enough that now I
mow my driveway.
I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe he has
any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once he wakes up
from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes what gardening is
about he will never have a garden... no one who has a 2 acre garden (that's
a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions about killing grass and weeds
with Roundup defolient... a person could feed a family of four with veggies
from the market for two years for the price of enough Roundup to treat 2
acres. A person can easily feed a family of four (and two other families of
four) veggies all year from a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any
chemicals whatsoever... Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with
H2O. When I read of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2 acre
gardens (none have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if folks here
have any concept of what's an acre of garden.
He never said he had a 2 acre garden. He said he has 2+ acres and uses
Roundup, and he's getting ready to put in a garden.
I had a 1/4 acre garden when I lived in Texas. (and I used RoundUp to
spot treat the Bermudagrass that kept sneaking in.) It was a huge
garden (IMHO) and was pretty much unmanageable until I discovered drip
He certainly did refer to his 2 acre garden... why would someone mention 2
acres in reference to a garden when they are putting in say a 10' X 10'
plot?!?!? Actually he did say he already has a garden, a "weedy" garden
_"My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know."_ He led folks to believe he has
a 2 acre garden that is all weedy and he was asking if it was okay to get
rid of the weeds in his garden with Roundup... it is quite clear that his
intent was to lead folks to believe he has a weedy 2 acre garden. Had he
truly wanted suggestion about how to weed his garden (which many offered) an
honest person would have said right from the gitgo what size area (he said 2
acres), otherwise no one could offer help except some generalizations and
mostly wild speculation. Just like the last person who boasted that she
had a 4 1/2 acre garden but when I asked her to post pictures of her garden
she didn't deny it but instead posted pictures of all sorts of things but
none of any garden (probably a neighbor's property). People on usenet are
smarmy, they make all sorts of wildly exaggerated claims and tell down right
lies... very few are who they say they are. Many of the pictures folks post
are not of their garden and/or not of anything they themselves did. It's
easy to post a picture of someone elses garden, or some landscaper was paid
to do and then claim they did it, and cameras are very portable so anyone
can take a shot of a garden across town, and it's very easy to lift an image
off the net... when someone posts a pictures of fully cropped flowers I
wonder where they stole those images.
You made your point when talking about smaller acreage and affordibility of
Roundup vs. feeding the family. I don't digress. You did just waste your
"breath" though on a point that is really moot from the prior replying
Sheesh, who made you sole arbiter of what peeps post... your responding to
my post added nothing, whereas yours and you are the total waste... and
obviously you haven't a clue what "digress" means or is your use germaine,
you just inserted the tired overused word self-servingly in hopes of
elevating yourself to a position of importance and superiority, not. I'm
positive you don't have a garden either, never did, never will.... what an
insignicant pinhead your momma bred.
And it sounds like you're a pimple faced idiot with little real world
experience. Either join in the conversation or STFU.
On second thought, you haven't written anything yet I consider worth
reading, so, it's to the compost pile with you.
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