Re: Organic Corn Kills Butterflies??? what the?

[LeeAnne]

Wow, and pretty disturbed by it and the whole GM (genetically modified) movement. Turns out that, according to one site, the GM corn contains a certain gene that protects it from some type of pest. Well... evidently the GM corn's pollen contains something due to this gene that then gets blown all over the milkweed that the butterflies frequent and, get this, it alters the gut of the butterfly turning into more of a sieve than protecting it and thus allowing pathogens to be released into the butterfly's body.

You can read more here:

disturbs me the most is the fact that we are all probably eating GM products and have no clue that we are since they mix it in w/regular food and the regular food folks aren't allowed to call their food 'regular' food or non-GM. Yikes!!!

LeeAnne

-who doesn't usually answer her own questions-

-yes you do-

-no I don't-

-stop it-

-stop what?- lol

I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday that said something like "Organic > Corn Kills Monarch Butterflies, What Next?!?!" > > Anybody have any input on this? Anybody heard of this? I'm off to google it > .... > > ~LeeAnne > > -- > ------ > If you're an insomniac, agnostic, dyslexic do you lay > awake at night wondering if there is a dog? > ----- > >

[E. Norma Stitz]

[Major Ursa]

"LeeAnne" wrote in news: [e-mail]:

That's why the europeans are risking a tradewar with the US to keep the foodchains GM-free. I think it won't be too long before it will start to dawn on your citizens that their food-economy is now addicted to GM. (The tradewar btw will probably mean that you will not be able to buy GM- free food from overseas, if you would want that for some reason).

Ursa..

[animaux]

It's incorrect. I believe it may have said, "Genetic Corn Kills Monarch Butterflies."

[animaux]

Yes, you certainly are. What do you think we were screaming about when, a year ago, there were no standards act in place and no labels on anything with genetically modified corn or any products for that matter.

Of course it was all chalked up to be us tree huggers and all our hysteria.

Welcome to the grand lie.

[Marley1372]

there is a huuuuge difference between GMO(genetically modifyed organism) corn and "organic corn". They are not the same thing.

Toad

[Bob]

REALLY? I'm sure glad you told us that.

Bob

[Frankhartx]

Everyone had better face the fact that unless there is a major cataclysm and a drastic reduction in the worlds population, the continued growth of population means that conventional agriculture will not be able to keep up with the increased demand. Bio-engineered food plants are inevitable, like it or not. Without the advantages in production gained throug bioengineering we will not be able to sustain our future population. So wake up to the facrts of life and smell the roses--they are edible so you can eat them too--some day you may have to.

[Just another fan]

WOW, now we have GM trolls putting out bumperstickers!!!!

[dr-solo]

every single study of famines has found that there are only a few major contributing factors and a world wide lack of food isnt one of them.

1. mal distribution of food.
2. somebody holding onto the food to make a killing
3. people cannot afford the food
4. wars and the mass dislocation of farmers and those who work the land contrary to what most people think, Somalia is a lush and green country. it is the damned wars that have driven the people to starvation. The biggest threat to the world food supply is disruption of traditional farming practices that have developed over the thousands of years of human farming experience. And the biggest lousy practices are:
5. monoculture
6. planting non-native species ill adapted to surviving normal climate variations
7. irrigation leading to salinization
8. cash crops that destroy the soil profile
9. the use of non-organic fertilizers that dont put back nutrients and organic matter
10. over cultivati>Everyone had better face the fact that unless there is a major cataclysm and a

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[Frankhartx]

current food supply is adequate for the current world population and can sustain some increase. But if population continues to increase as it is doing then even with the best of practices it will not be sufficient without the ability to increase production supplied by the bioengineeered crops. Todays famines are not related to the world food supply but are localized phenomia with various causes. The government of Zimbabwe in what only can be described as utter madness has largely deliberately destroyed what was once a highly effecient agricultural base with the result that we can expect the people there to suffer greatly--but here in the US we waste more than enough food to fill the gap But todays famines are tactical situations, in the overall strategical picture future populaion growth will stress the present system beyond it's limits and bioengimeered crops will be a necessity.

[Frankhartx]

We can now--we won't in the future at present population growth rates. Not every bioengineered development to date has been for the best but in that science lies the hope of the future. >

[animaux]

Ya, I think many of us know that. I was saying the person who originally posted this topic may have misread. It is the GMO corn which has Bt-k built in, is killing butterflies. This is not new information.

[Frankhartx]

Bioengineering is here to stay--not only in food crops but animals as well. It can be dangerous and is far from sufficiently understood and can be a dangerous thing--but like fire despite the danger we will not be able to live without it. You can either ride the wave or go uinder-perhaps somr day a new liver can be grown with your DNA signature that can replace your damaged one with no rejection hassle--conjenital genetic effects can be remedied. All through bioengineering. Don't decieve yourself, these crude first attempts are only thr beginning not the end.

[animaux]

So instead of this, why doesn't the world food bank, the US, promote the end of making ten children families? I think it's a shame you think GM food is being produced because our government "cares" about us having food down the line. It's not. The lie is, "we love our people..." Bullshit. What they should say, we love our pest free corn. Cheaper to make, gives better profit, and who cares if it kills the silly monarch butterfly populations.

So, maybe you need to smell the roses and stop the complacency with regard to this disgusting thing called genetically modified food.

[dr-solo]

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[dr-solo]

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[Salty Thumb]

[e-mail] wrote in news: [e-mail]:

uh, not unless Clinton was President in 1989 ...

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"E. Norma Stitz"

[animaux]

On but Jeeeeeeezus lovessssssssssss ussss.

Then again, Bush was hacking down non native trees on his ranch. I suppose he didn't know eastern red cedar was native. Shmuck.