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On 7/13/2014 8:11 PM, Fran Farmer wrote:

Yup:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/BNRT0P-oZfw#t9

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On 7/14/2014 4:53 AM, Frank wrote:

Yup????
I believe Fran Farmer is in Australia and commenting about Tony Abbott, the Prime Minister.
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On 7/14/2014 11:24 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

She's still coming from the left.
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On 07/14/2014 09:59 AM, Frank wrote:

And she was commenting on both. Even took a swipe at Obama's opposition with the race card:
"Sad tough about all the vitriolic comments that are sent his way - no doubt due to him dusky skin colour and the red colour of the necks of those who make such comments."
Hmmmm. Must be his "race". Has nothing to do with what he "does". She does not realize that the conservative movement practices Rev. Abernathy's (plagiarized by Rev. King) teaching about judging people by their character and not their skin color. When we see Condoleezza Rice, we see Condoleezza Rice. Same goes for everyone else in the movement. When a typical leftist sees Condoleezza Rice, they see an uppity black woman off the reservation. Oh ya, and we'z all a bunch of red necks.
It is sad that she actually believe this nonsense about Americans and her own countrymen as well.
And, for those outside of American that don't know any different, Obama is mixed race: half white and half black. And, none of us (maybe five of us) care. We are Americans first. And, our blood is all the same color.
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On Monday, July 14, 2014 9:59:34 AM UTC-7, Frank wrote:

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Part was enthusiasm; he gave good speeches. Part was horror at the prospec t of the Opposition candidates taking power.
Sad tough about all the vitriolic comments that are sent his way - no doubt due to him dusky skin colour and the red colour of the necks of those who make such comments.
She's referring to the "redneck" stereotype of the ignorant Southerner.
Gotta say, though race and religious hatred are alive and well in the U.S., the difficulties of the Obama administration came largely from the Day One determination of the other Party to wreck his Presidency. They are on rec ord for all to see. They even call themselves the "Party of No".
They are just AWFUL, un-American, arrogant, full of themselves, many basica lly ignorant, voting in lock-step with their leaders. A very few decent ho ld-overs in that Party from the days when the Opposition would work with th e Party in power try to hold the line, but the game is rigged against human s and in favor of money -- by any means necessary.
Back to Obama: Alas, he is not a real leader; he folds at the first hint o f opposition. He's not a "people person"; has very little understanding of how to play the political game -- which unfortunately is a President's pri me requisite.

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Do people feel they can do anything about it? You have compulsory voting. Does that help, or hurt?

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On 15/07/2014 6:12 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:

Yes he did and still does but then good speeches are just pretty words IMO. I spent nearly 40 years working for government, have met most of the top people here in our government and can play 6 Degrees of Separation with the best of them, but I'm not impressed with politicians in general. They are just like the rest of the population - some are as dumb as dog droppings and should be put down because they are wasting good oxygen and some are wonderful people. Most are just FAQ (in the non geek sense).
Part was horror at the prospect of the Opposition candidates taking power.

And sadly that sort of hatred is very commonly paraded on usenet from too many of your countrymen. They are obviously identifiable as being lower down the socio-economic scale but it's not pretty to see such things still alive and well in this day and age.
the difficulties of the Obama administration came largely from the Day One determination of the other Party to wreck his Presidency. They are on record for all to see. They even call themselves the "Party of No".

I didn't comment on his politics or his effectiveness as a President or even on his political opponents and the various nay sayers (even though that is fascinating to watch). I commented on him as a person. He seems to be a decent human being.
He doesn't seem to be all that effective but then the same could be said for many of your recent Presidents. He seems to have less of the mongrel nastiness in him than many other leaders and the most effective leaders. Either they need to have mongrel in them of they need to have exemplary negotiating skills.
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On 15/07/2014 2:59 AM, Frank wrote:

Only to someone on the US right.
I'm from a very long term middling position. Some issues I am extremely right wing but generally I hold a middle position and some issues I am very left wing.
I'm what is known in this country as a 'swinging voter'- that means that I'm not committed to any one party at any particular election and I'm the sort of voter that is wooed by all in order to secure my vote. Swinging voters make up about a third of the electorate and it is the vote of swinging voters whose changing votes results in losses or wins for those who seek to rule the country. I've voted right, far right (but a long time ago when even our far right was less right then our current middle), middle and left. Our current PM and his whole government is extreme right wing and would get your vote.
But of course politics here is always far more left wing than that of your country at any point in the past 4 or 5 decades.
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On 7/15/2014 12:25 AM, Fran Farmer wrote:

OK. Got it. You swing both ways.
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On 07/14/2014 09:25 PM, Fran Farmer wrote:

Hi Fran,
One of the techniques Socialists (they call themselves Liberals) use in this country to attack conservatives is to identify themselves as conservatives to establish their credentials, then proceed to trash whatever parts of the conservative movement they don't like. They stick out like a sore thumb as what they proceed to say are usually Socialist talking points and they display very little knowledge of the actual conservative movement. It is quit disingenuous.
I do believe you are doing the same thing. I say this because your made the point about how much more your electorate leans left than they do in the States. You then point out how extreme the right wing current elected government is. This sticks out like a sore thumb. If the current government was so far right extreme and the electorate so left wing, the current government would have never won a majority in the elections.
The current government made their case to the electorate an the electorate agreed with it. So, if the current government is extreme right wing, so are the electorate.
-T
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On 07/12/2014 08:07 PM, Fran Farmer wrote:

Only in your mind. Maybe Higgs' too. Were three are pretty much in the middle of the conservative (Jeffersonian Liberal) movement. You and Higgs and out in left field with the goats. Neither one of you are capable of the interchange of idea necessary for the proper health of a representative republic. Both of you just throw insults. Then accuse other of being intolerant and closed minded.

Leftover old war b*** s***.

More leftover old war b*** s***.

We let the market determine what you are pain (in most cases). This is how freedom and the free market works. If you want elitists to choose who pays what, then if the best case you get a decaying European socialist toilet. In the worst case, you get a Nazi/Soviet style socialist tyranny.
You are forgetting, in America, even the poor people are fat.
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On 13/07/2014 5:21 PM, Todd wrote:

People with your views sit politically on the far right on the world stage. You might manage to figure this out if you used your passport more and/or read more of the world press.
Maybe Higgs' too. Were three are pretty much in

"Conservative, (Jeffersonian Liberal)" says it all as you would realise if you had knew what you were writing about or got out more.
You clearly have no idea what the rest of the world reads or sees or thinks about the politics of US citizens.

Speaking of insults.....

Your ignorance can't change the history of the Labor movement either in the US or around the world. Do some reading on it.

What a stupidly illogical comment.
When were you in my country? For how long? How many returning tourists did you speak to? Which newspapers TV channels and radio stations did you follow?

More ignorance on your part. Do some reading on Political Science before you use terms that you clearly don't understand. 'National Socialism' is far right. 'Soviet Socialism' is far left.
And before you repeat your ridiculous comment based on the presence of a word that causes alarm bells to go off in that cranial cavity of yours, you might wonder why the long form of the name of North Korea is the 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea'.

'Fat' is a physical condition. 'Exploited' is a political and social condition. 'You' are ignorant and parochial and rabid and right wing.
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On Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:35:36 PM UTC-7, Fran Farmer wrote:



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ESPECIALLY the poor people! They can only afford the appalling stuff serve d in fast-food chains. They are often ignorant of good nutrition and exerc ise. Well-intentioned groups/schools/organizations try to bring understanding of those factors to their clients, but the price of good fruits and vegetable s and meat/fish is often beyond their means. To wean people away from chea p (and ghastly) TV entertainment and/or computer games and into walking, bi king, any form of outdoor exercise is VERY difficult..
So that's why non-poor people are slim and poor people are (often) fat.
'Fat' is a physical condition. 'Exploited' is a political and social

Sigh! You're describing, alas, a good chunk of the American electorate (th ose who bother to vote).*
* (BTW, how does compulsory voting work in OZ?) Being uninformed worked fairly OK when we had two big oceans between us and the rest of the world, and when we were still puffed up with the 1950's po st WW II "white picket fence" prosperity. (At the price of many lives)
But that strain of anti-intellectualism that has ALWAYS pervaded the Americ an psyche, since Day One, no longer cuts it in the days of international ev erything, from finance to food to weapons to travel to commerce to...
We are no longer able to elect leaders who think their job is to serve the people, not just make a buck and to hell with the environment. The few who try to run for office on a human being platform are drowned out by the gaz illions spent by Our Corporate Masters and their funders. Our tax laws are passed in favor of the .01% by their lackeys in The Best L ittle Whorehouse in Washington. A few attempts are made to repatriate the ENORMOUS sums sequestered in foreign tax havens, but it's rough going.
I used to exhort people to get out there and vote, but am sadly facing the reality that, inter alia, SCOTUS has put the icing on the cake. This count ry is now for sale to the highest bidder.
What kind of country will my children live in after I'm gone.
HB
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On 07/14/2014 12:57 PM, Higgs Boson wrote: <snip> > ESPECIALLY the poor people! They can only afford the appalling stuff served in fast-food chains. They are often ignorant of good nutrition and exercise.

Hi Higgs,
I think there is more going on here than your think. After my diabetes injury and I started a Paleo diet (no grains, minor amounts of starches, and no preprepared food) I did not notice my weekly food budged going up much at all. Maybe $5.00. I would say 95% of what my family eats is home cooked. The rest, very carefully selected.
I think what is going on here is 1) poor or no home cooking and 2) addictive food like substances. I certainly loved my pasta. "Healthy carbs" my ass. I was pretty addicted and did not realize it until I hurt myself.
The real foods you are talking about (and I now eat) are low profit margin food. Empty carbs (grains, etc.) are high margin (not for the farmer, unfortunately). So, the powers that be push the crap. You see it all the time as don't eat fat, eat healthy carbs. Follow the money.
Songbird elaborates beautifully on the food like substance subject. I cheer her on.
Also, bear in mind, that (my opinion) conventional produce tastes like crap.

I have not noticed that. Pretty women (if you can call skinny women that) seek out successful (wealthy) men would are delighted to oblige them. The old sex object, success object thing. Maybe that is what you are noticing? I could be wrong. Women take a lot more crap over their weight than men do.

I wonder what the rest of that sentence was. But so far, I have to agree with you. Fat bigotry is alive and well. The diet industry makes a ton of money off them. The medical industry has a tendency to treat fat people like crap.
<snip> > But that strain of anti-intellectualism that has ALWAYS pervaded the American psyche, since Day One
A good thing. See the Thomas Paine quote below.
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The environment has been getting better all my life. I am not sure what you are talking about. No one wants dirty air and polluted water, especially not the conservative movement. A lot of us are outdoors-men (I am), hunt, fish, etc.. We definitely do not want the environment harmed.
Here is some great environmental news. Our air quality is getting much better over the last 10 years.
http://www.popsci.com/article/science/satellite-images-show-massive-reduction-us-air-pollution
-T
This quote from Thomas Paine's Common Sense (1776) will help you understand the conservative movement and why we are actually a bunch of radicals. His words are why were lost more of a percent of our population in war than any other war (General Washington had all his troops read this several times). If you understand what he is saying, you may be able to offer more constructive criticism of our movement. (I don't think it will convince you, just be more constructive in your criticism. You are definitely on the other side of this issue.)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine
Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil. We have it in our power to begin the world over again.
Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first a patron, the last a punisher.
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On 15/07/2014 5:57 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:

Yes. Your politics is certainly interesting and to a certain extent, entertaining as well. Mind you, I frequently want to throw something at the screen when I see some of your grubbier politicians.

It's not actually compulsory to vote as such. What IS compulsory is for everyone over the age of 18 who is not in jail for over 3 years or insane to have their name and address on the Electoral Roll and to be given/receive voting papers (at an voting station or by way of the postal service as a postal voter) and have ones name crossed off the Electoral Roll as having attended a polling station/returned ballot papers. Once you get your ballot papers you can vote properly or you can write all sorts of rude things on them. I always vote properly as does my husband although we do that as silent electors (only our name appears on the Electoral Roll - no address)

That psyche is quite interesting to someone who lives where I do. The US is so close to the parts of the world where most Australians have ancestral cultural links so you aren't the least bit isolated in comparison to us on our big Island continent at the bottom of the world.
I've always found it fascinating to ponder the rates of passport ownership which is so different in our two countries. Last time I checked, my country had nearly a 50% passport ownership in comparison to only about 25% in the US. Given how easily, quickly and cheaply you mob can get to Europe as opposed to how long it takes us, and how expensive it is to get there from here, I'm often spent time wondering why is it so.

Oh yes. And dear old Rupert aiding and abetting with his media.

Yep.

I know that thought too.
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On 7/8/2014 2:12 PM, Todd wrote:

Chicken wire fence is your best bet. It only takes a couple of feet of fencing. Bunnies might graze up to it but not jump it.
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On 8/07/2014 6:22 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:

Yep. I've got huge numbers of the filthy wee brutes. I'm suffering from a Jack Russell deficiency ATM.

Jack Russells are goo too. They play tug of war and don't let up till they get an end each. Not good for the live bunny though.
A waist height wire mesh fence will keep them out,

Roos are probably better than deer though. We are now seeing deer appearing at the back of our farm.
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On 7/8/2014 1:22 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote:

This worked on squirrels and might work on rabbits.
A public garden where I am a docent has two white mulberry trees (Morus alba). Squirrels would feast on new shoots every spring, delaying the trees from leafing out for as much as two months. The squirrels threatened to even kill the trees. I was told that the new growth contained something that gave the squirrels a "buzz" (squirrel marijuana).
The gardeners sprayed the new shoots and buds with a mixture of liquid soap, cayenne, and human urine. The squirrels immediately abandoned the trees.
For rabbits on the ground, spraying might have to be repeated after watering the affected plants.
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On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:23:28 AM UTC-7, David E. Ross wrote:

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How did the fruit taste?
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On 7/9/2014 10:57 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:

The trees are fruitless. That is good since they hang out over a concrete path, which would be stained by ripe mulberries.
By the way, I believe such a spray can be applied to the ground around edibles instead of directly on edibles. Just be sure that a broad band (not broadband :) ) of spray completely encircles the area to be protected.
Also, preditor urine (e.g., from a dog or cat) might work as well as human.
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Todd wrote:

The rabbits around here like sprouts, so they eat as soon as the shoot comes out of the ground. I plant a row of beans and think half of them didn't germinate, they I look closely and see they were in fact eaten. Anything that gets past the sprout state doesn't seem to interest them. This makes me think the hot sauce spray would be ineffective, as you could only spray the more developed plants that the rabbits don't bother.
I bought an electric fence to protect my valuables from the rabbits and racoons. It comes with a two-foot small mesh wire fence, and some wires that go on small poles outside the fence and are hooked to a solar power panel. My wife reports that it gives a tingle when you touch it (she forgot to turn it off when she is weeding) which is apparently enough to deter the predators. It is a bit of work because we have to weed around it to keep the weeds from shorting it out, but the fresh sweet corn in particular is well worth it.
I'm in the US, and found the fence at http://www.mrmcgregorsgardenstore.com
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