I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of
the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub
care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic'
once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made
it sound like a very good thing to do.
1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap
1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash
1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea
The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this
treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects
and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids,
and hundreds of other ornamentals.
Question: What bug problems are you trying to deal with? In other words, I
assume you have sat in the garden with bug identification books, and
specifically identified all the different bugs you see. Please tell me which
"bad" bugs you're trying to get rid of.
I'm asking because it never makes sense to create extra work for yourself if
there's no reason to do so. And, the tea you're thinking of making could
also kill beneficial insects.
I will eagerly await your complete list of bugs you've identified.
The video was part of a Jerry Baker's Master Gardener series... It
was presented as something you just do as regular maintenance; as a
Best Practice in landscape care. His premise appears to be that
stopping diseases and insect problems before they start by using safe
non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a
A big round of applause for wreck gardens! Do we have the best
advice givers here or what? All of you/us are great.
I think poor ol Jerry will never fade away, and we are doomed to
be hearing his mal-advised-advice for years...............
Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are
copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn,
destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008
Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not approve
of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as well also
forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be among the first
Oh, now, Val, I have this vision, you see......................
Our Wreck gardens crew (Joe, Lee, Cheryl, Victoria, me and Janet
you can come too- and any other volunteers)
Dressed in black coveralls and floppy garden hats, we will storm our
libraries, locate and smash any JB propaganda with our various garden
Come and join us
Emilie aka Carrie Nation who was in the llibrary this
If it were prudent to be treating *everything* bad before it appears
wouldn't that liken to everyone with a stray dog, skunk, squirrel wandering
within 5 miles go in for 10 days of Rabies treatment just because? And what
is "non-toxic" about tobacco and antiseptic mouth wash? What you spray up
will drip down, never mind that you are killing everything good, bad or
otherwise for no rational reason....what do you think this stuff will do to
earthworms when it leaches into the soil?
Eeeew. This person sounds like they belong to the "Nuke it till it Glows"
If you start on this journey, you will always have to do it all the time as
you will kill all the good insects in your garden and if you stop the
nasties arrive and may do a lot of damage before the natural predators can
build up their numbers to counteract them. If you garden organically, you
might occasionally have problems but the goodies and the baddies generally
balance each other out (and it's less work).
Sounds like you got hold of some Jerry Baker schlock. Our PBS stations
stopped carrying his programs years ago as well as his Sunday radio
programs. More than a few organic gardening groups suggested he be strung up
by the thumbs. The NW Flower and Garden show hasn't had him for a speaker in
years because of the flack they got from "real" garden educators and the
Master Gardeners Association about his misinformation and use of the
unearned title "Master Gardener". I was riveted in the doorway (early 90s as
I recall) when passing by one his seminars (everyone loves a good train
wreck) when a gentleman stood and introduced himself as a professor and head
of the U of W Horticultural Dept and went into a "what the hell are you
thinking" demanding for a basis of his unfounded and potentially harmful
formulas. Ol' Jerry was red in the face and sputtering when he just walked
off the stage without replying......so ended a very short seminar. Never saw
him again on the roster of speakers.
Here's an article you might find interesting. Rather enlightening about his
qualifications and expertise.
To the OP: Go to www.powells.com and find a used copy of "Crockett's
Victory Garden", by James Underwood Crockett. Do everything he does.....
.....that you should ignore all his advice about the endless use of sprays &
powders. He went way overboard. Maybe that's what killed him. Ignore all of
it until you've managed to locate your public library and brought home some
books (made of paper).
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