Poison Ivy vs Bed Bugs

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Stephen Henning wrote:

What is an "excreted" product of urushiol "metabolism" ??
My understanding of the mechanism of poison ivy rash is quite different. The skin is not "reacting to" an "excreted product" of "urushiol metabolism". Rather, the urushiol binds to the skin cells, and the body's immune system no longer recogizes them as being part of your body... so the immune system attacks the cells, causing the rash and the itching. Once the affected cells have been destroyed, the immune reaction stops and the rash clears up.
Is the above description now history, and the new theory about excreted products of urushiol metabolism now the accepted explanation?
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On 6/8/06 3:02 PM, in article snipped-for-privacy@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Ether Jones"

NO! but I might not have given it a fair test. Last PI attack may have gone systemic with in hours of exposure.
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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com says... :) But he pointed out that I have 3 bites (2 on left arm, 1 on rt) that :) has a clear head/water bubble. He said bites dont cause that, and he :) just doesnt think it looks like bed bug bites. :) :) Another post reminded of an insect that CAN create a "blister" type sore when they bite...the western conenose bug, aka Kissing Bug.
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I've always been a bit afraid of insects, especially now with my bed bug scare, IF, I ever saw a bug like that near me....I would FREAK OUT!!!
I dont even like looking at those mini-spider-looking red bugs that move around really quickly on brick/concrete steps.
Luckily I live in NYC, where we do not have those semi-fire type ants that they have in Florida and Atlanta. When I was there and saw how quickly they came out of the anthill with any disturbance, its freaky. Or those giant flying roaches. Or brown recluse spiders.
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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:

Good post - I take issue though with the vaseline,etc. part becaiuse that was an old remedy for scabies mites which chiggers are not.
If the OP were working around any area where animals have a 'trail' it is very likely to be chiggers. But, as a general rule, they're not gonna be in ones 'garden'. I suppose a neighbor could have dogs, sheep or some other kind of animal that might be a source. Or if the OP were working on a hiking trail, etc. I have actually looked on the tip of long Johnson grass blades and seen the little devils lurking there. They are very small and red. Under a microscope, the 'nose' is almost as long as the body and is folded underneath!
I have also been bitten by imported fire ants and they will leave a bite that resembles a very small 'whitehead' acne lesion. Though, unlike chigger bites, there is usually immediate pain.
My vote is some type of insect/mite. Indoors or out, I dunno.
Carl 1 Lucky Texan
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Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:

One possible way to narrow down WHERE or if it is insects, count the bites before either bed or garden work - then use some insect repellent and go to bed or go to work. Then count the lesions after wards - or possibly use repellent on one - say - your upper torso - and see if all new bites are on the untreated area.
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I rarely garden. This year I have gone out twice to remove bamboo only.
But I do keep a count and it does seem to increase by a few when I do wake up. Which leads me to believe bed bugs, But this has happened in 2 different hotel rooms in the last 2 weeks, and this weekend, in my bedroom 1 night, then when I slept in the living room, it happened there too.
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There arent many animals in the part of NYC where I am. I am in the surburbs of NYC. Back yards are about, 100 feet by 30 feet.
The only animals I have seen around are squirrels, racoons and once in a blue, a possum.

Its not exactly a garden...we planted bamboo years ago, and they grew like crazy, including into the edge of the neighbors property. So I hoped the fence and cut down the bamboo that invaded their property. It is hilly and with a few trees, so not much for animals to do there. That took about 10 minutes, then I worked on the bamboo on our grass for the rest of the time.

I think I have seen those. They look like spiders, but VERY small, and FAST...actually they look like crabs (they kind that lives in the ocean) They usually crawl on the brick/concrete steps
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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com says... :) I think I have seen those. :) They look like spiders, but VERY small, and FAST...actually they look :) like crabs (they kind that lives in the ocean) :) They usually crawl on the brick/concrete steps :) :)
You are probably seeing clover mites.
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Just looked on google images, and yeah, I think you are right.
Do you have an opinion on what my wounds look like? Bed bugs...poison ivy?
Thanks
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com says... :) Chiggers are basicly "Biting Mites". Just as in female mosquitoes, :) only femal mites will attack humans. They bore into a pore in the :) skin, suck blood, and then lay their eggs INSIDE the poor. You will :) most likely never be able to see a Chigger in action as they are even :) smaller than head lice. However, the itching and inflamation :) associated with Chigger "bites" are fare more worse than any mosquitoe. :) :)
Actually...... chiggers are the larval stage of the harvest mite. The latter nymph stages and the adult mite are totally harmless and feed on plant matter. They don't lay eggs since they are the "babies". They don't drink our blood, but inject an enzyme that will dissolve the skin cells and they feed on our liquified skin.
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Looks like a staff infection to me.
I went to another dermatologist today, and he took a look at the bites on my body and said it is poison ivy/contact dermatitis.
Yes, I did do about an hour work in the garden back on May 20th. But I did not get any red itchy bumps until May 25th, and that was only 1 on my left arm, and armpit and some on my torso. A week later (friday June 2nd) went to the dermatologist, she looked at the ones on my arm and said Exzecma, then saw the bites on my body and said looks like 'insect bites, probably bed bugs' - since I travel for work. Plus I wake up every morning with a few more bumps.
Today (monday June 5th) went to another doctor for a second opinion, he looked and said it did not look like bed bug bites. I told him that I scratched the bites so it might not look like it originally did. But he pointed out that I have 3 bites (2 on left arm, 1 on rt) that has a clear head/water bubble. He said bites dont cause that, and he just doesnt think it looks like bed bug bites.
I told him that I wore a shirt and pants when I worked in the garden, and I told him that I get new itchy bumps every morning even though its been 2 weeks, and he said that happens sometimes with poison ivy, it comes on gradually and can keep coming even 2 weeks later.
But he did say my scratching has caused the bites/bumps to get bad, so I have a serious reaction now, he gave me a cortisone shot and gave me a prescription for some cream and pills for the itching (atarax)
Could you take a look at the pictures of my torso and let me know what you think it COULD be. (I did not take pictures of the bumps on the arms and knees) I know you all are not medical professionals, I am just relaying on your practical experiance, so dont worry, I wont sue =)
Thanks!!!
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Wow, didn't even think of poison ivy/oak.
Also - I wish I was half a buff as you. :D
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Happybattles wrote:

what do you think about that diagnosis?
I sent the pictures to my primary physician, and he said it doesnt look like it. But I sent it to a friend who is also a doctor and he said it looks like it.
So half the people thinks its poison ivy, the other half says its not. Very frustrating.

lol, I wish I was. I have not worked out in 3 weeks since this whole episode started, I've just been sitting in the hotel room staring at the bed spread trying to see if anything is moving. (and last night, something was!)
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Gloria wrote:

someone else mentioned that. especially since I do wrestle while I am out of town for work. and ring worm and staph is not uncommon in wrestling.
but I thought staph enters through a cut and infects it. so it would be around the area of the cut...not spread all over.
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My poison ivy appeared in patches, not evenly all over my body. This may not be poison ivy. A lot of the bumps have been scratched and could become infected, so something is needed to remove the itching. If it is poison ivy you may need a hormone shot. You can tell a bedbug infestation by their feces they leave behind. Skin breakouts can be difficult to diagnose and may be a symptom of something more serious--see the best dermatologist you can find.
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Phisherman wrote:

Why do I need a hormone shot?
The dermatologist did say the reaction was severe so I got a cortisone shot. Is that what you mean?

Thats only once there a alot. =(

Thats what I am afraid of. But Im not sure what else it could be. and two dermatologists gave 2 answers (bed bugs and poison ivy)
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