I know there are "Purists" out there but it is
amazing at how they can change their mind at
I have a backyard vineyard and make my own wine.
Living in in the Mid Atlantic, I HAVE to use
fungicides (wine growers in Bordeaux do
also ;-) )
I have some "Purists" friends but they never turn
down my wine - go figure.
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:23:19 -0400, "Paul E. Lehmann"
I'm not a purist. I don't use toxins because I don't kill
intentionally. Do I kill all day by walking on the floor, ground
outdoors smashing ants, swatting flies on autopilot, eat foods which
were grown with natural pesticides, Yes. The difference is these are
not done intentionally.
Fungicides are one thing, pesticides are another. Fortunately,
the yeast dispose of most of these.
They will probably be more put off by the SO2 that you use. If you don'y
use SO2, they will probably be turned off by the wine.
I had the good luck to find a case of '83 Pinot that I had forgotten
about. It's a little tired but I'm sure an European palette would find
it just fine. There are also some experiments in magnums from 1979 that
escaped my progeny (grace a dieu).
Yeah, I know. It's definitely a blunder, that's for sure. Fortunately
I live in a country where food is greatly abundant and I don't depend
on one tree for food. I mean that sincerely. Still, I won't use
poisons so I have to be willing to accept the outcome.
Perhaps you are trying to explain that in your mind Fungicides
are as bad as Insecticides. Technically, they are very different,
Insecticides are for killing insects and fungicides are for killing
fungus. If you don't want to use them, forget about combating
serious fruit tree problems.
I'm curious where you draw the line. Oxygen could be considered a pesticide
if your pests are anaerobic. Water can certainly drown pests. Yet I'm
pretty sure, since from your posts you appear quite sane, that you consider
neither a pesticide. I'm not trying to give you grief but for you this must
be a fairly serious question. We're awash in chemicals, natural and
otherwise. How do you pick and choose which ones you'll allow? Or do you
just never apply anything at all, ever, in the course of removing pests?
I wrote an article in a Buddhist magazine about this which I posted
here weeks or months ago. I do not use any pesticides to remove
pests. If you read the post you saw where I say we cannot move an
inch without killing something. Ants we walk on, swatting a bug off
without thinking, etc. So I'm critically aware of what you're saying
and I agree with you. My intention is to NOT KILL INTENTIONALLY. It's
just a simple mindful thing I do as a Buddhist. I won't swim laps in
my lap pool until I first go in with a screened pool thingamagig and
scoop out any insects which are struggling in the water. I look to
see if they are in there and save them when I can. It's just a simple
act of kindness for all beings, insect, human, snake, rat.
What do you mean they shrink? The fruits shrink?
Mine are in 30 gallon tubs which go in the greenhouse in winter. For
me they are mostly evergreen. Though they are in tubs, I mulch them
and use granular organic fertilizer about three times during the
growing season. They are growing in a fertile soil mix half fungal
compost and a few shovels of ground soil along with potting pro mix.
They need to be watered a lot because of the heat and lack of rain in
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