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Well friends, they say that the more you wanna know the less they tell you, or something like that.....since Friday was three days after I took the stress test, I called the doctor............HUGE SIGH.....................apparently he doesn't discuss results over the phone.....ok, so when is the soonest I can talk to him?? THURSDAY NEXT WEEK??????????????????? crap.
So that makes me think that if it were something really serious, he would have called me, I hope. Not having insurance makes me wonder though....but according to a few people at work, he's one of the good heart specialists. (I can't afford him). Ann, I love you for your concern, and you too, Pat. I wondered if it was an anxiety attack too, Cheryl. But I've HAD those before. they went away. This weight in the middle of my chest and the pinchy kinda numb feeling in my arms has stayed with me now since last Thursday, sometimes worse and other times just noticible. I had a moment of clarity at work the other day, though. I had been asked to completely sweep the back five aisles of the nursery where the pool chemicals, dog pens, pavers, FERTILIZERS and WEED AND FEED, fencing stuff, and such are at. Most people who have been to Lowe's and in the nursery are aware of these back aisles where the extra stuff is located. We keep these area's and the aisles of the plant tables clean anyway, but apparently some uppety muck was coming to the store and the store manager knew I'd do a thorough job and wanted me to get in between the pallets and such.
It was a georgous day. One of the last ones. WArm, slight wind. Sunny and just beautiful. I don't like push brooms and I really needed an angle one, and it took me five hours to do a complete and thorough job. In between the sweeping, I helped customers and such, but pretty much stayed back there cleaning up missed spots and crevices. I raised alot of dust even though I know HOW to sweep. Now I wonder if I inhaled fine particles of weed and feed?? or fertilizers? I didn't just swing that broom wildly, but there was ALOT of dust because that's the back area that stays dry with the tin roof. It's possible something got into my lungs and is affecting me since it's that close to my heart. If the doctor tells me me heart is fine, then I will approach this too, as well as the possiblity of a blockage.....not looking forward to them checking me for a blockage, but I can't live like this, not knowing. And the pressure and discomfort is still there. Even today. So it's not just anxiety (well, I know I'm under stress, Squire didn't have work the last ten days, which was perfect timing, oldest son lost his temporary job and got the flu and has been sick the whole time I've been down, I missed four days of my work which gave me a miniscule check (not that it was large to begin with since they've cut my hours to 20 a week) but with Squire not working these last ten days, that means no check next week, with nothing from me as I get paid alternate weeks, thanksgiving is a pay period for me but payday is the day AFTER............and all the remaining bills are due Wednesday. I have to laugh.............<G>
Seriously, I decided that I can't just stop, so I get up and am glad I am up and still have a warm house that is packed to the ceiling with cactus and tropicals needing a spot to sit, grateful that so far, I've got my daughter and her girls and husband coming from NAshville, and oldest son's friends and their boys coming down from Chicago for roast beast day, and everyone will chip in something and we'll have a great time. I got a tearful surprise yesterday when I got to work. Lowe's gave everyone a $25 coupon at Food Lion and that enabled us to get a turkey for the feast, and when someone remarked to me that it was our big Thanksgiving and CHristmas bonus, woo hoo, I told them with tears in my eyes that no, it was rather wonderful considering we weren't going to be able to have much of a dinner this year due to circumstances. it took them aback and they remarked that I had just made them realize it wasn't the "little $25" but the idea of what it was and they felt badly that they didn't appreciate it as much as I did.
I still go to work, I still push myself too far, but so far, other than sore muscles, I'm hanging in there and once I find out something solid, I will let ya'll know. My love comes out to ya'll for being there for me, wheather I hear from you or see you I know you're out there. I didn't post what I did for attention, I just sometimes need to know I'm not alone with my life struggles. And we're all going thru this if not worse. Our love and respect for one another is one of the reasons I love this newsgroup (despite the bickering, because a good relationship has those bickering moments, makes the make up and smooth overs that much more fun!)
I hope you are all doing well, and look forward to the conversations that spring up during these fallow times. Let the catalogs continue! (I've already gotten a lion's share of them)
Garden note: it's a cold, rainy, foggy day outside after we had our first hard freeze. the perennials that are still blooming are standing strong, but the rest of the garden is starting to look like a bad hair day. The leaves have all pretty much been blown off the trees with exception to some die hard ones like my black cherry tree in the east side. It's hanging firm with them still. The pink butterfly bush that resides in the corner of the NSSG still has leaves and now is sporting new silvery green leaves at the bases of those leaves. I hate to cut it back come spring, but I will anyway to have more flowers.
The Mexican sage I got from Reba down the road hung in there during those bitter winds and 20o temperatures, but I attribute it also to the fact that it's sitting at the back of the south facing raised garden and the dogrun provided it a little backside micro climate. I just hope it makes it thru the winter and returns for me come springtime. It's a nice clump.
The mums all look like they've gone thru a wringer washer, and the figs on the tree are finally at the familiar stage. Droopy and dark and hanging below those huge fuzzy leaves that are starting to drop off. And everywhere, HUGE pawlonia leaves are everywhere. Filling up the fountain, draped over the fairy perching at the top of the BBQ wall in back, the water is cold and thick with a layer of leaves floating on top, the canna I forgot to bring in sticking out still green (I'll have to plant her Sunday so she will return for me next spring, she is glorious!) Not to mention there are still two burning bush babies, a red rhodie, a Dorothy Wycliff pieris and something else I can't remember to plant somewhere quickly as they won't survive the winter in their pots since the tomato box is now full of plants. And there are still bags of bulbs to tuck into that box wanting to start their root growth before the temperatures chills the soil too much before their winter sleep.
Ever the gardener, and plodding onward. And actually looking forward to those Siberian irises that gardengal is sending me next spring! (not to mention who returns for me and who can I replace?)
Again, thanks for your time, I will keep ya'll posted as I know things. Stay safe adn warm and think of fairies tucked under leaves and clumps of next year's perennials snoozing while others are still busy doing their fall jobs and upcoming winter ones.
madgardener up on the rainy and cold ridge, back in fairy holler, overlooking a mist and cloud shrouded English Mountain in Eastern Tennessee, zone 7, Sunset zone 36
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A blood test would indicate whether you had a heart attack. If you had, you would be in the hospital now. Doctors do not fool around with heart disease, if there is reason to suspect a heart attack they go all out. Have you had high blood pressure and havent been treating it? Anxiety attacks come in all kinds of variety. once those muscles are contracted for significant periods of time they can ache like a muscle spasm for days. Yes, you could be having a reaction to toxins as well, be sure to mention that to the doc. not to mention all the stress you are under right now. Ingrid
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:29:41 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@wi.rr.xx.com wrote:

that blood test is given in a series of 3, 8 hours apart. i know doctors do not fool around....but occasionally they overlook stuff, and i think having to wait until thursday for test results, IS VERY STRESS-INDUCING! Anyway, did they rule out the heart attack? if so, HOW?
I hope you are OK, anxiety attacks is very treatable these days. I am a lifetime veteran from two parents who had them, they are chemical in origin. or maybe some people just get one or three in a lifetime, but I personally never met anyone like that....
Let us know about this, i am now STRESSED over it.
hermine
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:41:06 GMT, hermine stover

don't stress until I give you reason to sugar. I promise I will let ya'll know what it is even if it's a shining report and it's all my stresses. I don't care that I haven't insurance, and the bills coming from all of this will be laughable. Just that I am still waltzing with the IRS over all that crap still has me in a sort of amused disgust and I refuse to let that bug me. (I know it's in the back of my mind, and it will remain there until they dismiss our case or settle once again for something, anything, which is why the impending hospital bills are so funny. They can't come close to what the IRS still says we owe them despite our refinancing our house in March and paying them $13,000 and everything that entailed. I'll send 'em $10 a month and they'll take it or they can drag me thru the ropes......let 'em come! I just want to know what is wrong with me so I can get on with my life thanks for the concern, Hermine. maddie
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Well, according to HERMINE, there are almost no times when it is OK to write bad checks. but here are two times when it is OK. 1. paying the vet for some emergency 2. paying the doctor for some emergency
you can always make good later, but you must be given appropriate treatment NOW. (If you are a living creature in crisis)...the idea that health care is a LUXURY is disgusting to me).
so far i have never written a bad check deliberately.
but in these instances I would. It is probably a good thing you spend so much time in the garden since just plain LIVING is very stressful in our times...
I have actual anxiety, but not anxiety attacks, very different. however, i know that anxiety attacks can mimic heart attacks, my father had fake heart attacks all the years I knew him and he lived to be close to a hundred.
herm
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Having been there with the hospital bills I know that you can contact thier billing department and apply for the hospital charges to be dropped or significantly reduced. I believe it's called a letter of need or something like that. I've done it since I am unemployed even though I have insurance that is paid for by my parents right now. I'm sure the hospital has some kind of process in place for this kind of situation.
I recently was put in the hospital against my wishes when I went in for my throat swelling. I made the mistake of saying the words chest and hurt in the same sentence, and zap, in I went overnight. There are also several things which will cause chest pain which have nothing to do with the heart. Sometimes the cartillage in the sternum can be irritated and swell and hurt like crazy, kind of an arthritis reaction. Also lung spasms can cause a lot of pain and they can be caused by inhaling fumes or dust or toxins. (Been there done all this)
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:29:41 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@wi.rr.xx.com wrote:

(they said my blood was fine, my husband even says the doctor who came down to talk to us while I was still in ER mentioned that my colesterole was fine, I don't remember that one) and they labled it "atypical heart pains" the symptoms are exactly what I am experiencing, including that pinchy, kinda numbish feeling in my arms like my circulation is being cut off somewhere, the pain though does get more pressure feeling with physical activity. My stress test was probably outstanding as I focased, breathed thru my nose and refused to talk while they put me thru it. down to the last push I kept on even though I was showing signs of blowing out. The nurse who was monotoring me said I made it the whole way including the minute and half they usually tried to push others doing the test. If he says I have a strong heart, good. I want to know why my chest hurts so much now. (it might take me a long time for the toxins in that dust to leave my lungs, especially since I haven't coughed up anything suspicious, and how long does that crap stay in our lungs anyway??) I appreciate your responding back honey. off to work with me..I have a NINE hour day today :( (I know I wanted hours, but NINE?? sheesh) maddie

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in anxiety attacks the intercostal muscles spasm. this can really really hurt. you can tell cause if you just press down onto the muscles between the ribs they HURT. second, I have had that numbish feeling in my arms due to nerve pinch in neck. I have had shooting pains down my right arm due to nerve pinch starting at neck. so if you passed the stress test, begin to not worry at all. you may also have had atrial fibrillation, again, not life threatening if it comes and goes. the summer my mother had open heart surgery I had fibrillation most of the summer, and not since then. definitely stress related. Ingrid
including that pinchy, kinda numbish feeling in my arms

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from snipped-for-privacy@wi.rr.xx.com contains these words:

No qualified medical Doctor (or nurse) would ever attempt to diagnose via the internet, or even hint that their personal medical history is applicable to the condition of an unexamined, undiagnosed stranger.
I know Ingrid's and similar posts are well-intentioned but wish people would stop doing this, for Marilyn's sake. Unqualified people discussing or suggesting what her symptoms signify, might increase her emotional anxiety, heighten physical stress, or give her false reassurance. All three of those have the potential to worsen her situation.
Kind thoughts and best wishes, M.
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Not attempting to diagnose, just suggesting other things that might be checked out by the doctors.
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waiting. My husband had an incident we still call "THE NINE THOUSAND DOLLAR CUP OF MAALOX"---- a fake heart attack. while he was held captive in the hospital, he had one of the night nurses fax to me proposals for garden designs. and then they forgot to discharge him, i had to go there and yank needles out of his arms, setting off all kinds of alarms. the doc wrote up the discharge notice, and THEY FORGOT. he was just trapped in a bed like a lab animal. being billed for that bed, too.
aside from the ANGST, it was nothing, but he did have impressive chest pains.
I think the ol'madgardener should noodge the docs for information NOW. is all i'm sayin'
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I find that people create this chaos in their own lives. It's a reflection of the character or the clutter of the people in question. Maybe some quiet meditation would be helpful. Try to see why these sorts of things happen.
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I find that doctors are less and less competent. my husband has the same hiatus hernia as his father. if he eats and lies down before a half an hour has passed, he gets "indigestion". i don't think this reflected inner or outer chaos; rather an absence of diagnosis and proper precautions. that was THEN. it does not happen now. the ol' madgardener does not seem chaotic to me either.
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:03:57 GMT, hermine stover

Are you speaking/writing of "hiatal hernia"? This is not a disease, but a physical condition of the musculature of the diaphragm that sometimes causes heartburn, gastric reflux, and the like. In extreme cases, it is treated by surgically repairing the hiatus (gap) and offending bulge (hernia).
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Yes, the structural anomaly "hiatal hernia", which can lead to the dis-dease, (if not disease) of all that bad stuff you mention. This is not severe enough to warrant knifework. The "family" all calls it "hiatus hernia" and will correct a person who says hiatal. or, mis-correct them.
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Long distant diagnoses by qualified doctors using computers has been going on for quite some time.
Many people live great distances from large hospitals. Doctors have been experimenting with having EKGs, EEGs, TPR and many other bits of information on these patients sent to them by way of the internet from small local clinics for many years now.
According to what I've heard and read in the news, such practices have been met with great success.
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I had forgotten this episode, but i once did have a medical emergency and was hooked up by paramedics to all kind of test machinery, which relayed my stats to a distant hospital, which responded with "suggestions"...and i lived.I was impressed at the time. of course, unlike US, these were qualified professionals. that aside, i do not think anyone writing here was making a diagnosis, just trying to help out a concerned person who is waiting for test results.
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actually, Marilyn had gone in and had a stress test. Since this did not show anything and she has every intention of getting all the care she needs, my post was meant to soothe her worry not inflame it. If she had these symptoms and NOT gone in I would have been emphatic about her going in to check it out. And if you think I am being cavalier over the internet let me just say that twice now I believe I saved people's lives. One friend in Alabama was describing symptoms of heat stroke. When her IMs to me became completely erratic I called her and she was talking very confused on the phone. I tried to prevent her from going to sleep and when that was unsuccessful I called her daughter to go over there and get her out of bed and check her temp. Her daughter was there in 5 minutes, my friends temp was up to 104. She was treated for heat stroke. Dont do anything with heat stroke and the person's temp just keeps rising until they slip into a coma and die. Just this last spring this same friend was telling me about her friend who was increasingly sleeping, had no energy and now was feeling short of breath. My friend was alarmed but couldnt get her to go to the hospital. I just happened to have her friends phone number, called and got a few more relevant symptoms and then proceeded to scare the shit out of her so she would let my friend take her to the emergency room. They immediately put her on oxygen to pink her up (she was going blue) and in 2 days she had double heart valve replacement. I knew this woman had a heart murmur and her symptoms were valve failure, but her own "doctor" was ignoring her increasingly alarming symptoms. Most people wont get involved. I am more worried that if I dont I will regret it. Ingrid

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Madgardner:
Did they test for thyroid function? I had excruciating muscle spasms in my chest and back(along with other unpleasant symptoms) and went through a number of tests. Finally I mentioned to my doctor that my father had, and both my sisters have, hypothyroidism. {heredity-the gift that keeps on giving}
Ah,ha, says he (more or less) and ordered a TSH test. Sure enough, the levels were seriously out of whack.
It's just another thing to have checked. The solution is simple--synthetic thyroxin for life--fortunately, it's cheap.
J. Del Col (not a doctor--doesn't even play one on TV or the Web)
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On 19 Nov 2003 09:59:44 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@mail.ab.edu (J. Del Col) wrote:

I will take that into consideration as well and ask when I go in today. thanks! maddie
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