Is a Big Hunk of Steak Worth Almost 2,000 Gallons of Water?

[Omelet]

Nice rant. :-)

[Marie Dodge]

A low-carb diet is not a diet of only animal products. You eat meat and a lot of low-carb veggies such as string beans, wax beans, cabbage, asparagus, salad, mushrooms, broccoli etc. It's not honest to claim a low-carb diet consists of nothing but meat. There is nothing unhealthier than the high-carb diet so many Americans are on. Toss in inactivity and you have obesity, diabetes, heart disease and worse.

[Marie Dodge]

And even there you can find plenty of healthful nutrition rich low-carb veggies.

[Marie Dodge]

And sugar and flour are the main cause of obesity.

A healthy diet is "snake oil?"

[Billy]

Oh, piss off.

Saints be praised.

Sorry, I don't get it. I have passed 99.9% of my life without the need to pack heat. Fortunately that .1% turned out uneventful :o)

Why the way I heard it was that God lifted up the East Coast and everyone who didn't have a grip slid to California ;o)

Ah ha!!!! A native Californian in denial. Welcome back from your sojourn in the wilderness. You ever want to feel normal again, you KNOW where you have to go. You can take the girl out of the state but you can't take the state out of the girl;o) Why didn't yo tell me I was talkin' to a sister? Sh-t, pantheist centrist, you be a homey, girl.

Yeah, but why follow leaders only to watch the parking meters?

[Billy]

I'm glad to see that you are finally coming to your senses. Normalcy is highly over rated.

Not as long as we have a president that keeps requiring a new Rockefeller Commission or a Church Committee to keep him in his cage:o(

[Billy]

Freaky, you beginnin' to sound like FarmI ;o)

[David Hare-Scott]

Aye aye! At least carnivores kill their food before they eat it.

David

[Zootal]

Most of the time....sashimi is best when freshly killed and still warm, and if it twitches a bit while I'm eating it, I'm OK with that :-)

[Billy]

Tell it to a python (type non-Monty).

Aye, aye, aye! Oh my lumbago.

Always did love that song ;o)

[FarmI]

Pure, unadulterated self interest. I'm in Australia, we run beef cattle on our 2 farms (grass fed stores) and the US beef industry is in direct competition to the Australian beef industry in export markets.

[FarmI]

Yep. But it is not just "flour and sugar" which are the culprits.

????? There is no "stack" in the latest FDA food pyramid - it's side by side multi pointed triangle. In fact, I think it is remarkably unhelpful given the obesity problems in the US - it says nothing useful.

you writing about the older pyramid with the carbs in the big section on the bottom and the small fats and oils section at the top?

[FarmI]

Give the girl a kewpie doll! She's soooo right.

[David Hare-Scott]

Where the Captains of Free Enterprise, Champions of laissez faire capitalism and fervent believers in The Market Will Solve The Problem (TM) persistently shelter their beef industry by regulation from imports from Oz, while complaining about barriers to free trade.

David

[FarmI]

Feeling paranoid about a threat to a lifestyle that results in obesity statistics that are sky high is no recommendation for a 'do nothing' approach. Better to be stuck in the '60s when at least people were curious and interested than to be stuck in concrete.

[FarmI]

I have had a problem lately on usenet. It seems that people who like low-carb diets can't read for comprehension.

You eat meat and a

The only dishonesty here has been shown by you. I made no such claim. You made an assumption that is incorrect based on what I wrote.

There is nothing unhealthier than the

It is not necessarily high carb that is the problem, it's more a case of the average 'American diet'. There are many people who follow a high-carb diet who are as fit as fleas. If you don't believe me look at the high carb intake of athletes. The difference between athletes and Joe Public is that athletes use the carb intake for energy. Joe Public doesn't use it and stores it as fat.

Toss in inactivity and you have

And low carb diets also have health implications. The current medical advice indicates that about 6 months is the safe limit for such a 'diet' and that it shouldn't be a lifestyle choice. Depending on the food mix and over a long time, a low carb diet can cause loss of bone density, cancer, kidney stones, liver dysfunction, cardiovascular mortality etc.

[FarmI]

I simply hate that sort of gross generalisation! That is why I picked up on Om's comment in the first place!

It is not just 'flour and sugar' and to say so is simplistic.

Most obese people include too many refined foods in their diet, eat too much food at a sitting and do too little excercise. Flour and sugar are but 2 parts of a complex whole.

No, but then you already knew that I didn't say it was.

The snake oil arises when gullible people latch onto a craze (low carb being one such craze) without actually doing any research into the long term health effects of following such a diet. They usually follow such a diet without even bothering to consult a competent and reputable health professional.

And the most gullible are usually those who do it for weight loss. For example, with Atkins, people may lose weight on it, but that is not a healthy long term eating plan as if followed for too long it results in increased risks of kidney stones, lowered calcium uptake and bowel cancer to name a few. A healthy diet includes a range of foods across all food groups and should be low in fat and low in processing. That, combined with an intake that suits the amount of energy expended is how to avoid obesity. It's really not all that complex.

[FarmI]

:-))) So you remember that stinking, mongrel Trade Agreement too, talk about bullyboy tactics!

A word of warning, don't get me started on either US Trade or Foreign policy because I could go on till doomsday.

[enigma]

"Marie Dodge" wrote in news:g6oj4t$vle$ [e-mail]:

no, they are not. highly processed foods are. and don't give me the same bull about how highly processed foods are mostly flour & sugar, because those are pretty small components of junk foods.

no, fad diets are 'snake oil'. reading comprehension issues? lee

[Omelet]

A lot of people don't seem to get that "low carb" does not mean "no carb". The two things to try to avoid are sugar and starch.

Leafy greens galore are a good thing. My personal favorites are various lettuces, fresh spinach, chard, choy, beet greens, (dad gets the beets) and cabbages of all types.

I should check if Tinypic still has that stuffed cabbage series on line.

Nevermind, the r.f.c. website does. Please substitute 5 cloves, not 15 cloves of garlic for the sauce. That's a typo.

Tomatoes are not low carb, but I love them too much to totally give them up. I just portion control.

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