The point is this...... DONT MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON ANYONE. This group has
around a long time, we are like a "neighborhood" in that we care about the
welfare of each person. For some people gardening is a major part of their
major part of their physical and mental health, it certainly was for my mother.
everyone is as fortunate as my mother to live in one place for 60 years and pass
plants to nearly everyone in the "hood", gradually acquire life long gardening
friends. This newsgroup is that equivalent. And like all groups of friends (and
relatives) it takes a lot of tolerance and patience to get along over the long
Because most of the long timers, the backbone of this group are women, this group
reflects more the way women relate which includes discussing a lot of other
and that is what bonds us together. Gardening questions ARE answered right
unlike a group sitting around in this format we can carry on multiple
And anybody doesnt want to discuss something has the ability to delete it, just
"listen". Anyone finds it distressing to be in a forum where topics other than
gardening are being discussed needs to find a strictly moderated forum then.
While I may agree with you about Bush, I do not agree with personal attacks. And
typically, the way groups of people deal with those who arent going to "play
to "shun" them, the equivalent of the killfile. This is exactly what happened
mothers neighborhood when the woman who moved in next door decided to make my
life miserable and the hood found out about it. The nasty women next door was
shunned by the hood, and the women in the hood rallied around my mother to
I'm here for gardening. If this is a
thank you Ingrid. I don't sweat the stuff. I know who I am and I
know my character. I don't need approval from people who read a few
posts and make a decision on who they think I am.
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:49:28 -0500, email@example.com wrote:
Both eggs AND dairy are dietary sources of vit B12,
Both say the same. Quote from above, read to end.
" Dietary Sources
The only reliable unfortified sources of vitamin B12 are meat, dairy
products and eggs. There has been considerable research into possible
plant food sources of B12. Fermented soya products, seaweeds and algae
have all been proposed as possible sources of B12. However, analysis of
fermented soya products, including tempeh, miso, shoyu and tamari, found
no significant B12.
Spirulina, an algae available as a dietary supplement in tablet form,
and nori, a seaweed, have both appeared to contain significant amounts
of B12 after analysis. However, it is thought that this is due to the
presence of compounds structurally similar to B12, known as B12
analogues. These cannot be utilised to satisfy dietary needs. Assay
methods used to detect B12 are unable to differentiate between B12 and
it's analogues, Analysis of possible B12 sources may give false positive
results due to the presence of these analogues.
Researchers have suggested that supposed B12 supplements such as
spirulina may in fact increase the risk of B12 deficiency disease, as
the B12 analogues can compete with B12 and inhibit metabolism.
The current nutritional consensus is that no plant foods can be relied
on as a safe source of vitamin B12. "
Many of the eastern cultures consider eggs as a black food. Not all,
but many. Yogini's don't eat eggs, onions or garlic. I am Buddhist
and there are certain days we shouldn't eat eggs or other black foods.
I'd have to look at the calendar and I'm not very adherent.
Yes, if you read my post stream I clearly said enriched when making
reference to foods. I am not vegan, but the only thing I continue to
do which would make me NOT a vegan would be dairy and eggs. I am
weaning off them. Cows never eat a piece of meat and they become the
meat we eat to get what? Grass and corn (which cattle don 't eat in
nature) turn into red meat. I don't think any meat humans eat are
anything other than herbivores. Go figure.
I'm assuming you're saying cows don't naturally eat corn, and not saying
that cows don't naturally eat grass.
Fish are carnivorous. Fowl can be carnivorous, and are certainly
insectivores. Pigs, I believe, can be carnivorous on occasion, and
This whole "disagreement" started, or I stepped in at the point where
you tried to correct omelet on a web search, and your own link didn't
support your comments, though I think your comments didn't exactly say
what you are continuing to expand on. After that you added the comments
about fortified foods.
So, you weren't clear in what you wrote, but evidently were defending
positions our information that was in your head, but not coming out of
I don't have a problem with vegan or vegetarian, unless someone starts
proselytizing, which I've had happen to me, as I'm sure others have. I
didn't say you were.
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