Ground Beef Recall Expanded

[enigma]

Ann wrote in news: [e-mail]:

yeah, they *really* need to connect North & South Stations! we took the train to NYC in January 2002 for a 5 day Linux show, with an 16 month old child. trying to juggle baby, diaper bag (i used cloth, so there were lots of diapers), suitcases, et al out of North Station, down to the T, getting it all *onto* the T, & off again at South Station was about the low point of the trip. i was grateful i had never got into using a stroller at that point. that would have only added to the mess.

parking in Boston is abysmal (but cheaper than NYC), so i don't take the kid down nearly as often as i'd like, to go to museums & stuff. and now with the new tunnel & stuff i really hate driving down toward South Shore & the Cape... lee

[Cheryl Isaak]

Ann,

We talk about this off line? My doctor suspects some thyroid issues and I'm trying to educate myself.. C

[Omelet]

Ann.

I seem to recall reading somewhere too that Iodine supplementation (in excess) can help reduce the effects of Hyperthyroidism?

Not 100% sure. Just a vague memory but you could research it a bit.

I have the opposite problem Hypothyroidism. :-P

[Omelet]

Heh! Yeah. No kidding.

There have been some people executed over that mess.

[Omelet]

Mmmmm... bug poop! Yum!

Om -> Sitting here eating some raw celery sticks. ;-D

[doofy]

Yup.

[doofy]

Ok, splitting hairs here, but calling yeast a plant is off-base. They're a fungus I believe, not a plant. They can be called a non-animal source.

I eat meat. Though Szechuan can give me the runs.

I'll just take my Lipitor.

[doofy]

Ok, well, that sounds like a valid reason to me. ;-)

Are we talking about taoism, and thousand year eggs?

[Ann]

Cheryl Isaak expounded:

Yeppers, just send me an e-mail - annbal*at*comcast*dot net.

[doofy]

I'm assuming you're saying cows don't naturally eat corn, and not saying that cows don't naturally eat grass.

Fish are carnivorous. Fowl can be carnivorous, and are certainly insectivores. Pigs, I believe, can be carnivorous on occasion, and insectivorous.

This whole "disagreement" started, or I stepped in at the point where you tried to correct omelet on a web search, and your own link didn't support your comments, though I think your comments didn't exactly say what you are continuing to expand on. After that you added the comments about fortified foods.

So, you weren't clear in what you wrote, but evidently were defending positions our information that was in your head, but not coming out of your keyboard.

I don't have a problem with vegan or vegetarian, unless someone starts proselytizing, which I've had happen to me, as I'm sure others have. I didn't say you were.

[Omelet]

Fine. Be Mr. Biologist. There are 5 kingdoms (last I learned in College anyhoo) and Fungi is indeed it's own critter.

Sounds like you have IBS. You may want to consider keeping a food log for awhile and pinpointing stuff.

Hope you take some liver support supplements!

I can control Cholesterol level with diet.

Avoiding sugar and starch for the most part seems to do the most good.

Fat? Research proved that high fat diets have zilch effect on Cholesterol levels ages ago when using isolation diets.

[doofy]

I've had a vegan confuse that term to me. Him: "Avoid all dairy." Me: "I'm allergic to dairy, but I do eat eggs." Him: "Eggs is dairy." Me: "Cow's don't lay eggs."

[JoeSpareBedroom]

How old was this particular vegan?

[William Wagner]

The world is a strange place is it not? We are born between feces and urine and think we are special. My garden is nothing but death, rot and destruction a killing fields of sorts. I try to focus on rebirth but have to go purchase some dried blood and get some hair from the barber. Sort of controlled rot I guess for the garden. Then off to the store for some food shopping knowing that some small critter is munching on my eye lid or having lunch in my nose. Read the other day that these guys may amount to about 6 ounces of my weight. I won't go to gut and intestinal flora.

Bill

[Cheryl Isaak]

Trying to overcome the giggles C

[Cheryl Isaak]

Must have been Kosher..... C

[Ann]

Omelet expounded:

I read a bit about it but it advised to only fiddle with iodine under a doctor's care, so I'm waiting....it's taken three months to get an appointment with an endocrinologist, my appointment is (finally!!) tomorrow at 9:30 am.

My problems were mainly a dramatic weight loss - I'm not heavy at all, I've always had trouble keeping weight on (and believe me, that isn't a good thing, but no one with a weight problem believes it), so at 138 losing 8 1/2 lbs within a month scared me a bit. The details are long, involved, and not related to gardening so I'll leave it at that. Things have stabilized, though, and I've even put two back on, but I'm going through the motions to make sure there isn't a serious issue.

[tourthekillfloor]

A missed point here ... I'm guessing that a freezing cow wallowing in urine and feces is a little more miserable than a nervous-system- lacking plant side-dressed with feces/blood/bone.

Some vegetarians *are* prone to making illogical and hysterical statements, but this lengthy thread proves the hysterical and illogical lengths that meat-eaters go to make meat safe. Please don't let the crazies turn you off ... when you stop being responsible for countless animal slaughters your soul will thank you!

[Frank]

Bacteria is going to be on the surface of the meat. Inside the meat is sterile. Problem when you grind burger is as you say. That's why it is safe to eat a steak cooked rare but not a hamburger. Chicken are another story. Practically impossible to gut them and keep clean. (You can gut a cow and keep gut off meat.) That's why there is more food poisoning from chicken than beef.

[Jangchub]

No, but I will find out. The other thing which is used in some processed foods is gelatin. I never know what the source for that gelatin comes from. It can get very complicated being vegan, which is why I'm slowly doing it. As for the free range, I always buy free range, cage free, brown eggs. Cage free doesn't always mean free range and I always buy organic when I can.

when I get anemia, it is not from iron. I get low red blood cells which then requires me to take Procrit injections. If I don't, I can't take a step without being out of breath. This has not been an easy illness and I've had this virus for about 35 years, which is why it is now really giving me problems.