A healthy tree can have a thousand infections. As long as they are properly
compartmentalized the tree will do well.
I school could be teaching the right way to prune a tree but their trees
could have been flush cut and painted years ago. Its going to take some
time to get out of the flush cut wound dressing era. Just as thought as to
why trees might not be doing well and the school is teaching correctly.
Also when we studied tree biology and ASU the people who cared for trees on
campus seldom attended the workshops.
Ok it goes like this. Don says he's a forester. I ask him to define a
forest, to him. Me with my eny-bitty little 3.5 day work shops was able to
read data and write a page on what logging is to me, based on published
data. With your longer term education maybe you could define what logging
is to you (Don Staples). Please list page number and paragraph where data
you mention can be found. Training with out education makes robots.
Education without training makes?
I think you are really a tree farmer who needs help managing trees on tree
farms. Big difference from a true forester. Forest do not require that
they be logged for trees and their associates. I.e., reflecting on how I
And can you make me a copy of your references so I can read them. I will do
the same for you if you like. Tree farmers could place logs as nurse logs
in the woods when you take one out. A logger friend of mine built a unique
machine for moving logs back and forth in a tree farm. We have taken trees
into the woods and brought trees out with little impact as a result of this
We use logs from tree take downs that we do as a service.
I will tell you that I have met some very fine people who are loggers in the
edi-bitty 3.5 day workshops.
Where is your resume Don Staples?
We are doing some reforestation projects by bringing in some ecoart nurse
logs. We have one more large oak to bing in and then we will selectively
place many small diameter logs. This project will consist of planting in on
and around the ecoart nurse logs thus increasing the health of the mini
forest (nature preserve) by means of mentioned data here:
This is the type of forestry I do.
Let me tell you that those 3.5 day workshops really add up.
And yes, I am a want a be forester. To have a regular job as someone who
cared for the vitality of the trees and their associates of a forest based
on tree biology as defined in my dictionary. I list my definition of a
forest in my dictionary.
I listed what I mean when I say tree biology here:
I do not like noise.
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? What gives you
the ability to call your self a tree biologist when you have never studied
biology? Other than riding the coat tails of the good doctor, what have you
Never trust a so called tree biologist that never studied biology.
First, I am proof that you do not have to belong to a society to understand
trees. Nor if you do belong, does it mandate, that you have an
understanding of trees.
Second, I studied tree biology under a professor of tree biology. Who wrote
the book NEW TREE BIOLOGY
Now back to my question. Don Staples please define yourself. Who are you,
what are you?
I can only assume, and I don't like to do that. Who are you. Other than
what Billy has pointed out, please define yourself. If you can't you may
have a serious problem.
I am Toni Gee a close associate of Dr. Shigo. I know John very well. He as
well as I are too busy out in the field studying and observing trees and
their associates. You seem to have one mission and that is to waste our
time. We are serious about what we do. You prove to me that you belong to
an association and know nothing about trees. Please don't waste our time
Most foresters have taken at least a dozen courses in forestry, after taken
many courses in biology, along with the other countless required college
courses. I have about 20 college texts on forestry, trees, wildlife biology
and mgt., arboriculture, soils science, geology, etc., etc.- that tops your
3 day courses.
I conclude that you or whoever started this thread by cross posting should
stop the cross posting.
Even if you were a highly educated and trained arborist- arborist issues
don't belong in alt.forestry. Perhaps, you could start a new group called
alt.arborist. Don and myself and a few others started this newsgroup a
decade ago- it wasn't that difficult- so you could do it too then keep your
discussions there where they belong.
Ah, an angry rag head, as well. You could have brought this thread to an
end by stopping the crossposting, but no, you join the fray, so, have it,
crotch rot. Civil discussion has failed in the past with "the tree
biologist", and will with his invites, as well. So, as I said, fuck off,
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