I moved this year and the new house had a poor lawn. I have much
improved it but I am having grub problems. I have tried 3 of the
products now in the stores: season lawn control, triacide?, and sevin.
None have worked, peel up a patch of sod and I still see live grubs
Diazanon worked without fail in the past but is now unavailable. Any
suggestions for something that really works. (Other than a 55 gal
drum of Malathion concentrate applied directly. That is what the guy
at the local home center jokenly reccommended.)
I wish I'd known that diazanon was being outlawed -- I would have bought
a gallon of it like I did dursban. I still have about a pint of 50%
diazanon; that ought to last me a long time cuz I don't use it much (I
just like to have it available.)
I think there's a natural grub killer call "milky spore". I don't know
much about it because grubs are not a big problem here.
Or maybe you just need to turn some moles loose in your yard.
Do you think they outlawed it because of it's greatness? It is a neurotoxin and
can kill you, cause cancer, and a whole host of other neuro diseases. How silly
Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for a friend?
I think they outlawed it because stupid people were spraying it on golf
courses (against the label directions) and killing people, or
broadcasting it by the hundreds of pounds on their lawns whether they
had grubs or not and contaminating the ground water. I don't think they
banned it because I use it once or twice every July to spray my apple
tree to prevent apple maggots because malathion isn't strong enough. (it
is listed for this.)
A few years ago while visiting my home town nursery, I saw a grandpa and
grandma buying sacks of every pesticide in the place. Malthion, diazinon,
you name it. They mentioned that their grandkids were coming over for the
weekend and they were making the yard nice for them to play in........
Better living through chemical cocktails.........
I don't care what you "think." I care that diazinon was marketed in about 40
different trade names, sold in different type bottles, by different companies
and what's more stunning is that you use it anywhere, let alone on something you
Do as you will. I find your glib answer alarming and if this remotely
represents how people in the world feel about neurotoxins, organophosphate's and
the like, it's frightening.
Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for a friend?
Minnesota Statutes 2003, Table of Chapters
Table of contents for Chapter 18B
18B.115 Sale or use of chlordane or heptachlor.
The state, a state agency, a political subdivision of the
state, a person, or other legal entity may not sell, use, or
apply the pesticide chlordane or its derivative heptachlor
within the state.
HIST: 1989 c 326 art 5 s 28
Copyright 2003 by the Office of Revisor of Statutes, State of
Consider yourself reported Mr Bxxon, Olmsted County has vigorous
Interesting that you're concerned about ironite but willing to live
with chlordane. That's weird!
Acts of creation are ordinarily reserved for gods and poets. To plant a pine,
one need only own a shovel.
-- Aldo Leopold
Thanks for noticing. I'm a complex character. <g>
There's a variety of reasons; some of them good and some probably rather
dubious. I knew what I was buying when I got the chlordane -- a
persistant insecticide that kills termites. AFAIK, there are still no
good alternatives on the market. So my chlordane sits in its brown
bottle as a kind of insurance that I hope I never need to use.
The ironite was sold as an iron- and trace element-rich fertilizer and
general plant tonic. No mention that it was mine tailings from a toxic
waste dump. No mention of the high levels of lead and arsenic (or
mercury, I don't recall which.)
The chlordane eventually breaks down, although it takes many years. The
heavy metals contaminants in the ironite don't break down, they just
become more readily available as the ironite itself breaks down.
:) AFAIK, there are still no
:) good alternatives on the market.
For what it's worth, most of the "old timers" that have compared
chlordane with one of the newer products called Termidor, say they
prefer the performance of Termidor. Fewer call backs. Has to be
applied by a pro though.
Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!
It is said that the early bird gets the worm,
but it is the second mouse that gets the cheese.
The damage is getting severe. I could feed an army of starlings for a month
in the grubs in the front yard alone.
I pulled up about two square feet in a browning area before writing my first
post and found 12-15 grubs! Not to mention my annuals look like I hit them
with RoundUp, the one Nasturtium I pulled up had 3 of those parasites
Depending on where you are located, you are over-estimating the problem.
The eastern half of the country is bothered by the larvae of June beetles
and chafer bugs, but you need to see double the amount you are reporting (a
dozen or more grubs per square FOOT) to have a problem that requires
treatment. In the western portion of the country, the culprit is crane fly
larvae, but treatment for these guys is not recommended until populations
exceed 30 per square foot.
Maintaining a healthy lawn is the best remedy - grunbs will infest lawns
that are stressed first. Reduce the amount of fertilizer you apply, mow long
and water less often but more deeply. These practices will encourage your
lawn to develop a deep root system, making it much less likely to appeal to
the grubs, which feed on surface roots. Plus, lawns which are allowed to dry
out between waterings make the environment inhospitable for the grubs, which
require specific moisture levels to survive. The first thing you want to do
is reset your irrigation system if you have one - that daily or every other
day watering for 10-15 minutes is wreaking havoc. It is wasting water,
encouraging shallow root development and provides the ideal conditions for
grubs to proliferate. If the populations do increase to treatment levels
(you are NOT there yet), beneficial nematodes are the recommended treatment,
but you must time their application to the life cycle of the specific pest.
Contact your county extension agent for details. This link may help.
btw, whatever is plaguing your annuals is unlikely to be the same problem,
but the same principals apply. Avoid excessive fertilizing, stay away from
chemical treatments that reduce the populations of benefical insects and
Anyone that favors a lawn to the point that they are willing to apply banned
and extremely dangerous pesticides needs to re-examine their priorities.
pam - gardengal
Not sure where you're located, but I believe in this area (northwest
Florida) Talstar is used with good results.
A local store that I buy from has a web site that lists various products and
the appropriate usage. They're at http://www.pestproducts.com
Even if you don't buy from them, the info on the site can give you a good
lead on some products you might find locally. (I can't see having a big bag
of whatever shipped to you as being very cost efficient.) I'm not in any
way affiliated with this store other than being a satisfied customer.
HomeOwnersHub.com is a website for homeowners and building and maintenance pros. It is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here.
All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.