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[jangchub]

I agree with every word you said. Absolutely I have been yelling for over two decades that we should have zero population growth. Two children to replace two parents. I absolutely see the association, and I'm also a liberal! Surprise!

I am old enough to remember alternate day gas purchase, also the long lines and hour wait time to buy gasoline in the 70s. We had plenty of vehicles after that to choose from with excellent gas mileage. Speed limits on national highways was lowered to save gas. We've had the technology for decades, but big fat liars like Bushie and his oil buddies want us to assure record profits at their buddies oil refinery(s). For the last three years oil companies have had RECORD profits. Well, duh. Gas costs are three times as much at the pump. It's silly, really.

When my SUV is finished I will replace it with a much more efficient model car. My husband has a Honda Accord. Back in the 70s they got

50 mpg, now he's lucky if he gets 22. Any reason for that other than zoom zoom zoom? Resounding NO.

We agree.

[Rachael Simpson]

Hey lilah,

How do you prepare your hashbrowns for freezing? I've always cooked mine fresh, never thought to freeze..........

Anyway, interested in your recipe and all, if you don't mind sharing!

Rae

[jangchub]

I'm very glad you posted this commentary. I have been saying this for years. I have family in Italy and gasoline there has been 3 UDS for a litre! Their cars are not these huge land yachts and you are correct with your assertion that fatness is run amuck in America.

No, I am not a self-hating American, but when I compare us with other nations in Europe (for example), we are fat, out of control with alcohol and drugs, insane government and it's woefully inadequate presidential administration. People in Europe must think we are the dumbest nation on earth for simply re-electing the bafoon as our leader.

All the time I wait for sighs of the downturn and eventually America will be a third world nation. We have deluded thinking when we say we are the wealthiest nation on the planet. As far as I know, we are one of the most in DEBT nation in the planet. I've read several reports saying the average credit card debt in the U.S. is anywhere from 5 to

11 thousand dollars!

Eh, it's too early in the morning to be so worked up.

Victoria

[Charlie]

Sheeeit, man. They be advertisin' vehicles here in the US with heated and cooled cup holders. We have our prioritites straight, eh?

Charlie

[William Wagner]

Last car I bought was in 92 . Sales guy told me about the cup holder twice in about 15 minutes . I wanted info concerning crash design. Well he started to tell me about the cup holder again and I said do you want to sell this car Obscenity head. I kid you not.

Seems distraction is a selling technique. 198 K and hoping for more. Toyota Corolla .

Bill

[Lilah Morgan]

I just use a cheese grater(specifically the side with the largest holes), and grate the potatoes, then fry/saute them in a pan with some butter/oil until they're cooked(either by being golden brown or translucent, depending on how crisp ya want them). You can add seasonings like salt/pepper if you want. Though at the cafe I worked at for a few months, we'd always boil the potatoes til they're halfway soft first, then refrigerate them til we need them. Cause grating 'raw' potatoes, they are kinda tough.

[Aluckyguess]

I fill there is still a lot to make in the long run. I go in and out of the market. When I see a pullback I will re-enter.

[Lilah Morgan]

Aren't you forgetting we never really elected him in the first place? :-)

[Rachael Simpson]

Ok, I normally fix the hashbrowns with some bell pepper and onion cooked with them, sometimes throw in some grated cheese.

Do you cook them any before you freeze them though? or just grate and freeze?

[Aluckyguess]

Maxed out at his shoulders? Not waiting for any raptures. I forgot a lot of you are against anything that is not organic. I was just trying to help "Obviously" some have it all figured out. I just like gardening and would own a ranch, farm if the wife would go, but she would be way to expensive to replace and I would miss the kids. So as I grease my slide to hell I will try to enjoy the ride. I hope you enjoys yours.

[Billy Rose]

Well, you see, there was a time after WWII that the US did 50% of the worlds trade because most of the industrialized world had been blown to bits. We had lots of money for things like infrastructure and such. A family could live on a single income and Mom, unlike the previous epochs, could stay home with the kids. Nobody was homeless unless they wanted to be. Cars changed their design every year and it was the era of "keep up with the Joneses". Firestone et al., bought up municipal railways, forcing people into transportation with rubber wheels.

Why do Americans love their cars? Manufactured consent. We bought what we were told we needed. We can be a pretty provincial lot.

In Europe (France and Germany, anyway) the high price of gasoline has a function in that it helps pay for health care and retirement, among other things, instead of just going into the pockets of plutocrats.

Just a small bit of criticism in your posting Farm1, and it isn't meant to be judgmental and with the best of intentions but what did the chaps color have to do with the anecdote? The non-knuckle draggers here are trying to go color blind as fast as we can work it out. Remarking on skin color, sex, religion, nationality, and language where it isn't needed, have given us a world of hurt.

Best regards,

[Billy Rose]

I'll do the best I can. Don't take it too personally. It's happened to me at least several times over the years. You took care of you and yours without concern for the ramifications of your actions. You only paid 15% capital gains on your earnings. You did well. I'm sure that the faceless predator that gets you will be using the same game plan, nothing personal.

Getting a farm or ranch, right now, would be sticking your head into the predator's mouth. The farmer, George Nayler, in "Omnivore's Dilemma", was able to farm his land by grace of his wife's (Peggy) paycheck. Not a life style to be envied.

War certainly seems like a good investment these days, and for the foreseeable future, with so many "anal sphincters" calling for an endless war against terrorists. When the multi-nationals move in and push the locals aside, the locals will push back. Pushing back will be called terrorism.

Enjoy your earnings.

[Billy Rose]

We really didn't elect him twice. But the momentum has started. Not only do we have to get our civil rights back but we need to stop this horror that we call a "war on terrorism". Now Germany has elected a conservative government as has France. Italy's government has been conservative as is England's. (By conservative, I don't mean in the traditional economic sense, I mean supportive of the plutocrats.) And all the while the people like you and me say our government is wrong. How could it happen? Look at our offering for the 2008 election. They all back the war on terrori$m and that is the financial lynch-pin that will get one of them into office.

[Persephone]

Couldn't find the original post on this. A few thoughts:

What, no onion?!

One of the Cuisinart discs is perfect for shredding. A lot easier on the knuckles (ouch!).

Persephone

[Kimberly]

| > I just use a cheese grater(specifically the side with the largest holes), | > and grate the potatoes, then fry/saute them in a pan with some butter/oil | > until they're cooked(either by being golden brown or translucent, | > depending | > on how crisp ya want them). You can add seasonings like salt/pepper if you | > want. Though at the cafe I worked at for a few months, we'd always boil | > the | > potatoes til they're halfway soft first, then refrigerate them til we need | > them. Cause grating 'raw' potatoes, they are kinda tough. | >

| Ok, I normally fix the hashbrowns with some bell pepper and onion cooked | with them, sometimes throw in some grated cheese. | | Do you cook them any before you freeze them though? or just grate and | freeze? | |

If I may interject. I would do potatoes like you do for potato salad. Boiled whole. Then cooled and skin taken off. Then grated. Then frozen. Try not to let them get smashed/mushed before they are frozen.

When you go to cook them you'd add onion, green pepper is that's what you like. I sometimes put tomatoes in mine at the end of cooking.

Then some oil in the heated pan and then put some of the frozen grated potatoes along with any extras you like.

Kimberly

[Lilah Morgan]

Well unforunately the 'war on terrorism' can never really be won. There will always be sick freak culties, and the only thing we seem to be accomplishing is encouraging the conditions that help spawn said sick freak culties. Just my take on it though. I think the 'terrorists' are just sick of all the poverty and such and jealous of our perceived wealth. They just don't seem to understand that, as I said in a different newsgroup, "It doesn't matter where you live, life sucks EVERYWHERE"

[jangchub]

Well, okay, now that you mention it! I didn't want a big fat Rush Limbaugh "she's a libruel" bullshit thrown in my face. Gore won in

2000, Bush was appointed both his terms. Cheney makes the law now, apparently, and everyone in the administration ran running in flames from the White House before the shit hit the fan. I forgot to mention that other squirmy, slime, Tom Delay. Blood pressure...rubbing temples...think good thoughts!

[jangchub]

Nobody supports a war. They supported the president who outright lied to everyone. He had the audacity to make a joke looking under the podium for WMD. It was a joke to him. He had a "who has a bigger pee pee" contest with his father's adversary, Sadam Hussein. Daddy didn't get him, so bushy did.

If people didn't sign off on the war they were lied to about, they'd have been called unpatriotic. That flew around for as long as it could last; later proven to be another myth put out by the bushie administration.

Remember "You're either with us or you're against us" crap? Hmmm, interesting.

Oh I'm so sick of this crap.

[jangchub]

Whoa, wait just one minute; I never said life sucks. Life is wonderful provided reality is not distorted to fit the model we are being sold by the establishment. We are so monitored now that even banks must turn over our cancelled checks to the government under the Patriot Act. I have nothing to hide, so I don't really care, but my husband does care. He thinks bushie is the worst president in the history of the world and I agree. A bigger, dumber ahole we couldn't have.

[Lilah Morgan]

I know, I did :-) Seriously though, my point was more that to just assume some region/country/nation/whatever doesn't have (serious)problems is silly. Yeah a country may look really nice, especially if you are merely a visitor for a week or so, and only see the tourist version, but those who live there know the pros and cons of their area. Those the current administration are calling terrorists, my personal take is that they're jealous of the perceived wealth of this country, only knowing what perks there are, such as the ability to rise in status seemingly without trying, and where poverty isn't as bad as it is where they are. They see the glamour, while us residents know there are perks, but also plenty of pitfalls. It's all a matter of experience/perspective.