Sidebar: My niece started a low carb diet early this year and coupled it
with stopping smoking . . . no one can tell me that decision can be a bad
While that might be true with a few people, it is certainly not true of
everyone. I know of many "fat" people who are anything but lazy.
Unfortunately, our society often equates heavy with fat and the two are
not the same thing at all.
I need to only look at my own grandmother who for years hovered around 160
pounds, at 5'4" . . . anyone who would say she was lazy is a fool. She
worked in the fields along side my grandfather, maintained a huge garden,
keep beautiful flowers, sewed, crocheted, was a sports advocate, etc.,
hardly a person who even the most critical person would call lazy or
looking for a panacea. Yet, she was not able to lose weight though her
diet was not excessive in any area . . . it was simply her makeup. Pure
and simple, that weight was where her body wanted to be, regardless of
what she did. It happens.
For the record, her doctor was not the least bit concerned about her
weight for she was healthy. Now before the critical among us jump on the
bandwagon and discuss health problems related to being overweight . . .
she celebrated her 95th birthday in August and is still as healthy as one
can expect someone who has lived 95 years to be and, until two years ago,
fully maintained a household!
The issue with health is not the amount of weight but rather whether it is
healthy weight. A "normal" weight person can be very unhealthy while
looking good to others.
If a person is physically active and has good muscle tone, which means
exercises either by design or by life style regularly, he/she usually
don't need special diets regardless of his/her weight. Apart from those
folks who have organic issues (thyroid, genetic, etc.), the truth of the
entire weight issue is how motivated the person is to lose weight. A
person can lose weight and become healthier keeping exactly the same diet.
Yes, he/she can. The first thing is to have the proper mind set. The
next thing is to drink plenty of just plain water . . . you notice that
diets mention water intake, there's a reason for that. Our bodies need
that minimum of two quarts of water every day to metabolize properly. The
next thing is exercise, not just once a day but throughout the day, the
point being of getting the metabolism up early in the day and keeping it
up throughout the day. Going to a gym and working out at 7 a.m. does only
minimal good if the person goes home and takes a nap and is physically
quiet the remainder of the day. Drinking water so the body can operate at
proper metabolism, keeping physically active throughout the day to keep
the metabolism up, and then following it with sensible eating will do the
job for any person who wants to lose (and does not have organic issues as
mentioned above). The third thing is, of course, the sensible eating.
Keep away from the things that we know are not good for our bodies such as
excessive sugars, fatty foods (and I mean *fatty* not just the type of
food, chicken can have as much fat as a piece of marbled beef!).
It is a fact that *if* a person eats exactly the same thing in the same
amounts and adds the water intake and exercise, that person *will* lose
weight/tone and be healthier. It happens, naturally.
While I'm not a L.C. advocate, the premise behind it has good points.
Staying away from excessive refined flour products (donuts, cookies,
rolls, etc.) is not a bad thing . . . there are a lot of calories in that
stuff and little food value. The important thing is that it has people
thinking about what is going into their bodies.
If you really are concerned about your health and your weight, make
everything you put in your mouth beneficial to your body; don't put it
there only because it tastes good. If those who want to lose weight think
of food like money and there is only a limited amount to intake like
spending, they will begin to be more health conscious and are more likely
to make life-style changes that will improve their health. It is the
*mind-set* more than the *diet* that does the trick.
Whether I agree with the current low-carb fad (and it is a fad and will
fade as many others have), it is encouraging people to think about what
they eat. Any time a person thinks about what they eat is one step closer
to better health. Thinking, after all, is the first step to doing.
As for those who say it is alone what you put in your mouth that
determines your weight, I say they are full of it. After my son died, I
averaged less than 500 calories a day for nearly a year and lost not a
single ounce! On the other side, when my children were young and I was
very, very active with three healthy little boys to keep up with, I gained
not an ounce, staying within 3 pounds of 105 for years, even though I ate
more than most men working outdoors! (I'm 5'6") There are many factors
that enter into weight and whether an individual will gain or lose, or
My point is that regardless of what you eat, make it all good substantial
(meaning with health benefits) food, drink a minimum of two quarts of
water every day, keep physically active (take the stairs, not the
elevator, walk not drive to the corner market, etc.) by looking at your
life and seeing where you can add more physical movement.
Insulting the ideas of others as to what type of diet to utilize to lose
weight is pointless and only demonstrates ignorance as well as a lack of
common consideration. Personally, I would prefer to hear all arguments
(meaning *debate* not attacking) about the diets because somewhere there
is something of benefit to me.
Green beans, peppers, lettuces, zucchini (big plants), spaghetti
squash (train it and trim it back it can send out 12 foot vines
without stopping) or other squash, eggplant(not sure if you get enough
heat in zone 5). Broccoli and to a lesser extent cauliflower(only
develops one head then stops). I did kerby cucumbers and made my own
pickle varieties. COrn takes a lot of space and my second batch of the
season was eaten by bugs and a near total failure.
I can't imagine not growing tomatoes! I went on maintenance for the
summer/fall harvest so I could enjoy anything I wanted from the
garden. After all it may be carbs but a lot healthier than say...
sugar cookies. Has worked well since I don't hesitate to eat
grape-sized tomatoes from the vine in the garden or slice-&-salt
tomatoes in the kitchen as an afternoon snack. I tried canteloupe and
watermelon this year but I messed them up with spacing and I got two
3" canteloupes. :-( Next year I will do better.
DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email)
Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, <1 mile off L.I.Sound
2nd year gardener
Thanks, a great list. I have a garden in the backyard also, where we
grow some cabbage, tomatoes, sweet peppers, etc. The front yard, I
think, should be for more decorative stuff, but, I like your watermelon
and cantaloupe suggestion.
I'm sure glad you added that "in most cases" because it doesn't "always"
take years. My sister died the day before her 21st birthday (the day
after Thanksgiving) of an aggressive cancer that "only occurs in old
people" (her doctor's words) with the chances of her getting it "one in a
million" (again, her doctor's words). As near as they could determine, it
started weeks before her second baby was born that February. That would
make it having been there far less than a year before her August surgery
which revealed the cancer to the doctors, and required extensive surgery
in a hopeless attempt to save her life. Even if they were off on their
estimate of start time by several months, it would still make it less than
year before surgery. Without surgery because of her extreme and
increasing pain, she would have died with only an autopsy revealing that
it was cancer . . . only the pain and lump were any symptoms which were
attributed to an enlarged spleen.
When cancer growth is talked about, one must take into consideration the
age of the patient . . . it commonly grows much faster in young patients
than older patients. That has to do with cell growth and regeneration
which becomes slower as we age.
And, yes, very healthy people can get cancer. A local doctor, a
competition iron man athlete, who I would have identified as the
healthiest person I knew if asked, died of brain cancer. He,
undoubtedly, was yet another victim of former Hanford employees.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see studies that show that a sudden
change in diet (of less than three years duration) has much of an effect
on warding off cancer which, as you said, usually takes several years to
reach a point of detection. Helping get it under control might be another
matter altogether since the mental attitude factor is an important part of
any cure. Often people who have a good mental attitude beat unbeatable
odds, against cancer and other medical issues, leaving doctors puzzled. I
have had the good fortune to know several of those in my life. We humans
are quite a complex machine with no one-size-fits-all answer or solution.
The best we can do is take as good as care of ourselves are we are able to
do, trying to educate ourselves to what is best (versus what we want!) and
implement it into our lives. That is likely a large part for most of us
on this group in having our own gardens. Even the few months a year we
can eat fresh-from-the-garden veggies is a big plus for our bodies. I,
for one, am not elated each fall as the garden is gone. As I type, the
nights are cooler and production is definitely down. I console myself with
knowing I can dig 'taters all winter.<g>
So, can we still plant garlic this late?
Diet beside, no one seems to have really answered the original 'gardening'
I must say I haven't read through ALL the opinions generated from this
original post. Amusing though they all were. Someone hit a nerve ! I did
see some minor attempts to answer the gardening/diet part of the question,
but they were few and scant in information for 'growing' purposes.
Without wanting to add yet another opinionated response to Ignoramus's 'diet
requirements' (Is that name a joke/is the question a joke?)
The original question relating to plants was
'My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants
that are not grains'.
I am not a diet expert, but my understanding is very few plants are high in
High fats are usually meat/dairy products. The are exceptions of course,
being mainly nuts. Man who would WANT to be on a diet without vegetables
and fruit !!
Back to plants..
Sunflower's can be made into unsaturated oils, so yes they would suit.
Someone mentioned spinach. I may be wrong, but I didn't think it was high in
You haven't said much about the soil quality, water and direction this wall
faces or how long are you prepared to wait for your crop, because nut trees,
depending on the nut, can be 7 years old before they give any crop.
I would suggest you research a few small nut trees if you intend to be on
this 'diet' for want of a better word, for a prolonged or continuing period.
Pecans and walnuts would probably be best for zone 5 I believe, but too
large for this area. Maybe a couple of hazelnut trees could work. (need
male/female) I believe they only take a few years to yield some fruit.
There are other nut trees of course, and you may find more appropriate
Also Avocado is an excellent high saturated fat fruit, but you need two
trees and they are very frost intolerant. They may manage if you have a
microclimate going in this position (but it doesn't sound like it)
I'd like to say good luck with the 'diet' but it sound's bloody unhealthy to
me.. So, I hope you don't die of a coronary. But good luck in the garden.
Are freshly dug potatoes better nutrition-wise than stored (assuming, of
course, both are from your own garden)?
I'm a'hoping so 'cuz I prefer to leave mine in the ground until ready to
eat them, partly flavor and partly so I can harvest something when all
else is gone. :-)
I hadn't thought of red, ripe peppers being more nutritious than green;
I'll leave more of mine on the plant now. Usually, I'm anxious to eat
them so let few go red.
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