Homemade Insecticides - Tobaco

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Another urban myth for the chattering class.
Seinfeld mocked it. Letterman ranked it in his top ten list. And more than fifteen years later, its infamy continues. Everyone knows the McDonalds coffee case. It has been routinely cited as an example of how citizens have taken advantage of Americas legal system, but is that a fair rendition of the facts? Hot Coffee reveals what really happened to Stella Liebeck, the Albuquerque woman who spilled coffee on herself and sued McDonalds, while exploring how and why the case garnered so much media attention, who funded the effort and to what end.
HOT COFFEE, the movie, a documentary feature film by SUSAN SALADOFF was selected to premiere and compete in the U.S. Documentary Competition at the 2011 Sundance Film Festival in Park City.
79 year old Stella Liebeck suffered third degree burns on her groin and inner thighs while trying to add sugar to her coffee at a McDonalds drive through. Third degree burns are the most serious kind of burn. McDonalds knew it had a problem. There were at least 700 previous cases of scalding coffee incidents at McDonalds before Liebeck's case. McDonalds had settled many claim before but refused Liebeck's request for $20,000 compensation, forcing the case into court. Lawyers found that McDonalds makes its coffee 30-50 degrees hotter than other restaurants, about 190 degrees. Doctors testified that it only takes 2-7 seconds to cause a third degree burn at 190 degrees. McDonalds knew its coffee was exceptionally hot but testified that they had never consulted with burn specialist. The Shriner Burn Institute had previously warned McDonalds not to serve coffee above 130 degrees. And so the jury came back with a decision- $160,000 for compensatory damages. But because McDonalds was guilty of "willful, reckless, malicious or wanton conduct" punitive damages were also applied. The jury set the award at $2.7 million. The judge then reduced the fine to less than half a million. Ms. Liebeck then settled with McDonalds for a sum reported to be much less than a half million dollars. McDonald's coffee is now sold at the same temperature as most other restaurants.
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Its a joke Dumbass!!! but one would expect you to try to p[sycho babble and google BS in an attempt to make yourself look cute, take your pick here: http://www.rinkworks.com/said/warnings.shtml
but it that all you got?
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That is a great site!
On my owners manual of my dremel drill the first sentence was a warning label. "DO NOT USE FOR DENTAL WORK" I laughed my head off, because before I bought the thing I joked the salesperson, I could use this thing for dental work!
The sad truth is one has to use the labels because of lawsuits. Say the wrong thing to women - get a sexual harassment suit. Say the wrong word to a police officer and you go to jail. One wrong saying to your boss, "like can I have raise" and your fired. Without label warnings you get sued, with out miranda rights one could go to jail. Without unions your screwed.
Unless you want to live in a communist world when there are no freedoms of speech, no juries, no unions... Then get used to living with labels, people are responsible for what they say and do.
Glad I have dental insurance from my government paid pension plan. For that Dremel label I wonder how many people messed up their teeth with that drill.
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Dan writes: "Unless you want to live in a communist world when there are no freedoms of speech, no juries, no unions... Then get used to living with labels, people are responsible for what they say and do."
Really Dan? I'm a bit confused here. You have so far alluded to me being on both sides in this one thread. Please don't be so fickle. Let me know what side your really wanting to be on, the Left or the Right side and I will almost guarentee that I will be on the opposite ? More important is, How does this relate to you needing to be told not to drink Tobacco tea?
Please don't play silly little argument games. Stick to facts and the subject or go to timeout and sit in the corner.
I do have to say that since you two(?) have begun your little diatribes here I am beginning to rethink my premise that folks have enough common sense not to drink tobacco tea. You and lil wildbilly make a very great case for putting warning labels on everything.
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Neither, I am not on the left or the right. By your writings it sounds like your world is black or white, right or wrong, them or us, opposite of the other. My world of right and wrong are two thin lines with a vast grey middle. That is why you are confused because your thoughts are perhaps polarized, positive or negative and cannot understand anything other way of thinking.

By my nature, I protect myself by protecting others. If I state something that might harm another or get someone in trouble by direct or indirect means, I could be in trouble with the law or get sued. By protecting myself I will state the obvious like "Do Not Drink It, because of harm" even though few if any will.
Like before, why state the obvious? Because people will and have done stupid things. Even antifreeze has warning poison labels on them, why? To protect themselves from legal problems. Like those companies to protect myself.
But also not just legal problems. If I said something that caused physical harm to others, if seemed humorous or innocent at the time, I would also feel emotionally bad and I do not want to feel bad. I know others would not feel bad and laugh at others misery. I have a feeling you are in the laugh at others category.
Now as a third person, when others states things that physically harm others. I will laugh at the stupidity of others of both sides. Like your list of warnings. Since I did not directly or indirectly caused the harm, I would not feel guilty or bad. Call me self centered if you wish :)
If this does not answer your question, then I do not know what will.
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A great site as a distraction from Gunny's stupid statement, but has no connection to the subject under discussion.
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wrote:

And wrongly attributed to David.

A case of McFiction.
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Was not my intent. The miss information I was refuting came from Gunny, who should have a warning lable, "Danger, Corporate Shill".
The only person from Oz that I would hold accountable would be Ruppert.

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Tobacco tea should only be used on ornamentals, not food crops. Sevin should not be used. It kills pollinators. It kills everything.
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Why should Tabasco tea only be used on ornamentals? If it is not good for food crops why exclude ornamentals. Does tobacco tea not kill bees also? After all is it an insecticide or just gives the bugs a bad taste?
I found this site interesting: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/ipm/msg071521218483.html
The main topic states "One drop on your skin can make you very sick". There is an argument about also killing bees in the second response.
I am amazed that people are making teas from tobacco. Learn something new today :)
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It is a insecticide. It isn't good for you to eat. 40–60 mg (0.5-1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans.
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:59:49 +0000, DavidofWales wrote:

The usual homemade insecticide is soap and vegetable oil.
http://www.organicgardeningweb.com/Recipe%20book/Pesticide%20Recipes/Insecticidal%20Soap.htm
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DavidofWales wrote:

I still have an old bottle of Black Leaf 40 insecticide -- nicotine sulfate. It's one of the few home use poisons with a "DANGER!" warning on the label. I'm afraid to use it in my garden or on seedlings just in case it's contaminated with tobacco mosaic virus. (from what I remember, it works great on African violets.) It's probably OK, but I don't want to take the chance.
There's no way I would use actual tobacco juice in my garden.
-Bob
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I live in a traditional tobacco(burley) growing area. It is quite common to see the stalks used as fertilizer after the cured leaves are pulled from them. They are mostly used on lawns and pasture, rarely on gardens. Tobacco mosaic disease will affect vegetables in the nightshade family. The fertilized break down is 2-1-7 and apparently readily soluble by rainwater. Occasionally the stalks are used for staking pole beans. Those who use them claim the advantage of free fertilizer and no bugs, but if you dig in the ground after the growing season there are no earthworms. I have helped my father and others produce tobacco in younger days and wouldn't recommend eating anything tobacco was used on. From the time they sprout the plants are treated with fungicides, pesticides, herbicides (in the field prior to planting) and hormones (to prevent the plants from producing suckers after they are topped (flower buds removed)). I personally have experienced nicotine "highs", especially from handling the cured leaves. If you are really such a tightwad learn to hand pick and use inspectoral soap.
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