the problem is, all carbon based fuels release CO2 when burned.
what we need is to break the hydrogen oxygen bond in water and then burn the hydrogen back to water. plants do this, they use solar energy to knock the hydrogen off the water, use the energy of the electrons to form a covalent bond (organic) that stores the energy (using CO2). That is really clean energy.
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If you run across anyone named "Flora" in Indiana, they're probably kin to me. My g.g. Uncle John Flora founded the town of Flora, Indiana. My family back there is Mennonite. (And Swiss-German.)
Grandpa Flora grew up horse farming back there. I come by these tendencies to garden, farm and raise livestock honestly : )
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Cool. I'm not from Indiana and have only been here five year so I'll have to look up where that is.
Not bad heritage, is it? I'm a farmer at heart but grew up in a city. I keep trying to talk farmers into letting me run their heavy equipment under the guise of "helping them" but, really, I just want to be a farmer driving a big ol' John Deere.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but fossil fuel has been out of the carbon cycle for a long time and is being reintroduced. Wood burned from last year though is just going around and around in the carbon cycle. We need to stop burning fossil fuel.
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I thought it might make their day but they never acknowledged it. Maybe they wanted more technical info. (Hey, that's all I could remember -- I fell ON MY HEAD.) They did send me a new helmet but they're supposed to do that anyway.
the algae and other plants that sucked up all the CO2, died and were buried is what made the planet climates what they are now. There are already huge prizes being offered for methods of sequestering CO2, essentially, CO2 scrubbers that remove CO2 from the air (CO2 is soluble in water), form a chemical reaction that removes it from the water and then inject it back into those empty oil wells or whatever. Limestone is calcium and magnesium carbonates, so it could also be used to make limestone bricks to construct houses? problem is acid dissolves limestone.
and do it using non-polluting energy!!! like the sun or wind. Ingrid
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I am not in the lab anymore. up to this point mother nature has been fooling with the light reaction center in plants that soak up the photon of energy and use it to break water (water is typically broken by running electricity thru a platinum wire). Chlorophyll is the best (so far) at doing this, but uses only blue and red light. It is the biotech people will start fooling with the reaction centers of chloroplasts to stick them into a synthetic membrane and/or make a better photon grabber. Maybe layer several different reaction centers that absorb across the whole spectrum so they are more efficient.
hook this up with some extremely high efficiency lights over the membranes (light the flashlights that have a little generator in them) and no need for solar light. maybe have the choice of cranking it up to get it started, or, a good battery.
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Yeah. You are right. But "bottom line" people will see that this costs them money. They will be dragged to environmentalism, kicking and screaming. Countries that don't clean-up will get more energy per pound (gallon, whatever), which will put us at a disadvantage (so the spin will go). The biggest bang for our buck that we can get RIGHT NOW is conservation. The $10,000,000 the the knuckle head at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. wants (and sadly, so does Obama) to put into energy savings from ethanol (which will be grown with petroleum) can be had for $3,000,000 and change by conservation.
The thing with fission power is (besides the massive problem of it's waste, even in fast breeders) is that workers exposed to radiation pass their injuries on to the following generations. If a coal miner gets black lung, the injury dies with him. I know. It's a pretty cold calculus.
If we could reduce CO2 and wait 30 years, there should be fusion reactors which will be infinitely safer than coal or fission.
In the meantime conservation, water power (including tidal), wind power and, photovoltaic could buy us time.
I know you may be kidding, but the problem IS money. There is no reason why gas is costing what it does. Oil tycoons made record profits the last three years in a row. It's disgusting, along with the greed and every putrid thing about it, the desire for it, the attachment to it,etc.
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