I can only speak to wineries but ice cream producers have labs too. The
job really depends on the winery size. Small wineries pay the least but
usually fairly lax working conditions that allow you to do things other
than in the lab. Large wineries have large labs and bureaucracies, which
means that you are payed well but micro-managed to death.
I've worked the harvest for the last five years. That's 4-5 months of
work (two of which are overtime intensive). In Jan. I draw my
unemployment and do some substitute teaching (secondary physical science
credential). Otherwise I plan the garden and do a lot of cooking. I'm
sure once I get too comfortable a permanent job will come along.
Heh! Before you talk "micro-management" try health care which is managed
to death (literally sometimes) on several levels. It's almost like a
chess game sometimes.
Sorry dear, but that sounds like fun. :-)
Once the morgage is paid off in 4 years.
If you don't mind, could you e-mail me more details?
That actually sounds interesting. I'm getting bored with Hospital
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What Gina didnt say.... Taubes "cherry picked" his information. This is a
when trying to prove the positive, but not when challenging "common knowledge".
was the exceptions to the theory the earth was at the center to the universe that
brought that whole cockamamie theory crashing down.
It is bad bad bad when somebody has a conclusion already in mind and then goes
looking for the bits and pieces that support their conclusion and ignore the bits
that dont. This is what creationists do, it is also what opponents of global
It is a very fine line to wander trying to attack "common knowledge". It is
start by carefully examining each paper for bias, who are the authors, who is
up the money for the research, how well does the research follow the scientific
It is good to look at the history of the causes of ulcers to see the natural
of a challenge to "common knowledge". It took a long time for the scientific and
finally the medical community to accept that, yes, Virginia, bacteria does cause
ulcers. And this has been modified by the finding of a genetic trait that
predisposes a big chunk of humans to the bacteria (type O blood group). Gone
"stress", "diet", type A personality causes of ulcers. Only "aspirin etc."
medications are another cause.
So while I laud Taubes for taking on the "common knowledge" I am sure no
scientist with their head screwed on tight would have done so unless they had a
"death of their career wish". Did he go overboard? Yes, I am sure he did (I
read the book yet). Do I go overboard when presenting stuff? Yeah, but I am an
iconoclast and I "spout" to shake people up and make em question their
Mostly the average Japanese never had enough food much less highly refined food.
Traditional Eskimos and those who live in the high north, who mostly eat protein
fat dont have heart disease either. Nor do the French, who slather fat on
but eat small amounts of food period.
I am convinced there is something in the refined junk food, maybe allergies to
grains, crap in all our food that is leading to either a suppressed or over
challenged immune system that corrodes the insides of the arteries. Stress can
too, as can chronic pain, autoimmunity, etc. Time will tell. Ingrid
Ok, but there it says eggs and dairy products which are animal in
And FORTIFIED veggie products.
Where is the B-12 coming from?
If it is being fortified from an animal source, one may as well continue
One can raise their own chickens free range, and just not have a
rooster. Sterile eggs are not killing anything.
The myth that eating cholesterol laden foods raises serum cholesterol
was proven to be untrue a long, long time ago.
Unfortunately, many sources are still hanging on to that.
From my own biased opinion, this person (Jangchub) is a waste of time.
For over a year she has been dying from or suffering from innumerable
illnesses. Her whole point in being seems to be to attract attention and
sympathy. 'Nuff said.
I've been posting ot this newsgroup since 1995 and I am not dying, I
have hepatitis c which is causing me to have cirrhosis which will
require a transplant eventually if we can't get the virus under
control. Because YOU are relatively new around here doesn't mean I'm
new. Hardly the case. What else do you perceive I'm dying from? What
are these inumerable illnesses?
Please take a look at some of Stammet's research on wood consuming
mushrooms. It might be helpful.
His books are available on this website:
Many appear to contain natural anti-viral properties.
Shitake mushroom is a good place to start and iirc, turkey tail is
another. It's been awhile since I read his stuff... but they (him and
his staff) also respond well to e-mails.
Hope this helps?
We may not always agree on everything, but I still like you. ;-)
A very good liver support herbal is Milk Thistle, widely available at
the health food stores. It appears to help the liver to detox more
easily. It's widely used (successfully) by alcoholics.
I'm taggon on to Om's post - these are excellent suggestions. I think
V has alreayd tried milk thistle, but I may be wrong....
I am taking a balanced B Complex that is 100% whole foods from
Megafoods to see if it helps the thyroid condition I've developed
(hyperactive). It seems to be working, along with soy lethecin
capsules and a thyroid support supplement I found from a Canadian
company. Long term stress can do nasty things to your thyroid as I
have found out :o(
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
My SIL has hyperthyroid....I think. It may be hypo. She's a rail, is
a yogini in perfect shape and she's been taking thyroid medication for
years and till a few months ago she felt fine. Now she's exhausted
again. Since she is only 45 and not really going through menapause
yet, I think it may be something to do with her hormone levels. Too
much estrogen or not enough. She was using topic progesterone and may
have been using too much. They're trying to get her straightened
out, but I know from talking to her how difficult this problem can be
and how hard it is to regulate once out of wack. It can be done so
just keep going...
V, tell her to be careful about soy. I think it triggered my episode.
More here http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htm . When I
eliminated soy from my diet (soy milk every morning, lots of tofu
meals, nevermind all the soy they put in everything nowadays) my
symptoms abated. I'm not saying it's gone, but things are more under
control. I'll find out more tomorrow.
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
On 10/2/07 8:06 PM, in article email@example.com,
That's interesting. Both times I've started to do more soy as a protein
source, I've encountered some strange changes in my health.
Hope I don't have to give it up totally. I really love steamed edamame.
Are you saying Soy INCREASED your thyroid hormone levels???
That would be a good thing for me!
Fortunately, my father (whom I cook for) is ok with soy products too and
loves tofu. I don't use it often and neither of us drink milk, so soy
milk would not even be considered.
Black soy beans are the only bean I eat as they are the only true "low
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