Break New Ground....Build More Beds.....Get More Pots Growing

I's lookin'...........not too good.

Lawns need to be turned to gardens, every porch and balcony needs to be farmed. Like it was in the forties and fifties with "victory gardens" and such.

Charlie

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Fight For The World's Food

By Daniel Howden

23 June, 2007 The Independent

Most people in Britain won't have noticed. On the supermarket shelves the signs are still subtle. But the onset of a major change will be sitting in front of many people this morning in their breakfast bowl. The price of cereals in this country has jumped by 12 per cent in the past year. And the cost of milk on the global market has leapt by nearly 60 per cent. In short we may be reaching the end of cheap food.

For those of us who have grown up in post-war Britain food prices have gone only one way, and that is down. Sixty years ago an average British family spent more than one-third of its income on food. Today, that figure has dropped to one-tenth. But for the first time in generations agricultural commodity prices are surging with what analysts warn will be unpredictable consequences.

Like any other self-respecting trend this one now has its own name: agflation. Beneath this harmless-sounding piece of jargon - the conflation of agriculture and inflation - lie two main drivers that suggest that cheap food is about to become a thing of the past. Agflation, to those that believe that it is really happening, is an increase in the price of food that occurs as a result of increased demand from human consumption and the diversion of crops into usage as an alternative energy resource.

On the one hand the growing affluence of millions of people in China and India is creating a surge in demand for food - the rising populations are not content with their parents' diet and demand more meat. On the other, is the use of food crops as a source of energy in place of oil, the so-called bio-fuels boom.

As these two forces combine they are setting off warning bells around the world.

Rice prices are climbing worldwide. Butter prices in Europe have spiked by 40 per cent in the past year. Wheat futures are trading at their highest level for a decade. Global soybean prices have risen by a half. Pork prices in China are up 20 per cent on last year and the food price index in India was up by 11 per cent year on year. In Mexico there have been riots in response to a 60 per cent rise in the cost of tortillas.

It has even revived discussion of the work of the 18th-century British thinker Robert Malthus. He predicted that the growth of the world's population would outstrip its ability to produce food, leading to mass starvation.

So far in Britain we have been insulated from the early effects of these price rises by the competitive nature of our retail system. But the supermarkets cannot shield us for long. The European Commission no longer has reserves to help cushion its citizens. Its mountains of unsold butter and meat and its lake of powdered milk have disappeared after reforms to the Common Agricultural Policy.

Then there is corn. While relatively little corn is eaten directly it is of pivotal importance to the food economy as so much of it is consumed indirectly. The milk, eggs, cheese, butter, chicken, beef, ice cream and yoghurt in the average fridge is all produced using corn and the price of every one of these is influenced by the price of corn. In effect, our fridges are full of corn.

In the past 12 months the global corn price has doubled. The constant aim of agriculture is to produce enough food to carry us over to the next harvest. In six of the past seven years, we have used more grain worldwide than we have produced. As a result world grain reserves - or carryover stocks - have dwindled to 57 days. This is the lowest level of grain reserves in 34 years.

The reason for the price surge is the wholesale diversion of grain crops into the production of ethanol. Thirty per cent of next year's grain harvest in the US will go straight to an ethanol distillery. As the US supplies more than two-thirds of the world's grain imports this unprecedented move will affect food prices everywhere. In Europe farmers are switching en masse to fuel crops to meet the EU requirement that bio-fuels account for 20 per cent of the energy mix.

Ethanol is almost universally popular with politicians as it allows them to tell voters to keep on motoring, while bio-fuels will fix the problem of harmful greenhouse gas emissions. But bio-fuels are not a green panacea, as the influential economist Lester Brown from the Earth Policy Institute explained in a briefing to the US Senate last week. He said: "The stage is now set for direct competition for grain between the 800 million people who own automobiles, and the world's 2 billion poorest people."

Already there are signs that the food economy is merging with the fuel economy. The ethanol boom has seen sugar prices track oil prices and now the same is set to happen with grain, Mr Brown argues. "As the price of oil climbs so will the price of food," he says. "If oil jumps from $60 a barrel to $80, you can bet that your supermarket bills will also go up."

In the developed world this could mean a change of lifestyle. Elsewhere it could cost lives. Soaring food prices have already sparked riots in poor countries that depend on grain imports. More will follow. After decades of decline in the number of starving people worldwide the numbers are starting to rise. The UN lists 34 countries as needing food aid. Since feeding programmes tend to have fixed budgets, a doubling in the price of grain halves food aid.

Anger boiled over this week as Jean Ziegler, the UN special rapporteur on the right to food, accused the US and EU of "total hypocrisy" for promoting ethanol production in order to reduce their dependence on imported oil. He said producing ethanol instead of food would condemn hundreds of thousands of people to death from hunger.

Population and starvation

  • Robert Thomas Malthus was a political economist who shot to prominence in late 18th century Britain. His Essay on the Principle of Population influenced generations of thinkers with its prediction that the world's population would outgrow its food supply, prompting starvation on an epic scale. "The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race," he wrote. "Gigantic inevitable famine stalks in the rear." But Malthus predicted disaster to strike in the mid-19th century.

© 2007 Independent News and Media Limited

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Charlie
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Rachael Simpson

Yeah the price of chicken has doubled in the last month(I'm sure most of that is based on the tainted pet food issues) in our area. Thing is, we've got quite a few chickens, but mom has issues with killing/eating something she's raised(even though I'm the one that takes care of them), but I finally got her to let me at least slaughter our excess roosters. I know rooster meat is supposed to be good only if you boil/slow cook it for a long time, but I'm thinking of using our meat grinder and having ground chicken. I'm very happy our yukon gold potatoes are doing well, I can make homemade potato chips, and grate them as well and freeze them(for hashbrowns whenever we want), etc...

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Lilah Morgan

In article , "Lilah Morgan" wrote:

Lots of money to made in agriculture, if your not growing it. Think Cargill, and Archer Daniel Midlands.

According to Michael Pollan (Omnivore's Dilemma): pg.45 - 46

Corn adapted brilliantly (1950's); to the new industrial regime, consuming prodigious quantities of fossil fuel energy and turning out ever more prodigious quantities of food energy. More than half of all the synthetic nitrogen made today is applied to corn, whose hybrid strains can make better use of it than any other plant. Growing corn, which from a biological perspective had always been a process of capturing sunlight to turn it into food, has in no small measure become a process of converting fossil fuels into food. This shift explains the color of the land: The reason Greene County is no longer green for half the year is because the farmer who can buy synthetic fertility no longer needs cover crops to capture a whole year's worth of sunlight; he has plugged himself into a new source of energy. When you add together the natural gas in the fertilizer to the fossil fuels it takes to make the pesticides, drive the tractors, and harvest, dry, and transport the corn, you find that every bushel of industrial corn requires the equivalent of between a quarter and a third of a gallon of oil to grow it-or around fifty gallons of oil per acre of corn. (Some estimates are much higher.) Put another way, it takes more than a calorie of fossil fuel energy to produce a calorie of food; before the advent of chemical fertilizer the Naylor farm produced more than two calories of food energy for every calorie of energy invested. From the standpoint of industrial efficiency, it's too bad we can't simply drink the petroleum directly.

Ecologically this is a fabulously expensive way to produce food-but ³technologically" is no longer the operative standard. As long as fossil fuel energy is so cheap and available, it makes good economic sense to produce corn this way. The old way of growing corn - using fertility drawn from the sun - may have been the biological equivalent of a free lunch, but the service was much slower and the portions were much skimpier. In the factory time is money, and yield is everything. One problem with factories, as compared to biological systems, is that they tend to pollute. Hungry for fossil fuel as hybrid corn is, farmers still feed it far more than it can possibly eat, wasting most of the fertilizer they buy. Maybe it's applied at the wrong time of year; maybe it runs off the fields in the rain; maybe the farmer puts down extra just to play it safe. ³They say you only need a hundred pounds per acre. I don't know. I'm putting on up to two hundred. You don't want to err on the side of too little," Naylor explained to me, a bit sheepishly. ³It's a form of yield insurance."

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And with what we know now, this "crop insurance" is sterilizing the land an polluting the water. (Billy)

But for the sake of this conversation the most important line is, "it takes more than a calorie of fossil fuel energy to produce a calorie of food". More corn grown = more oil used. Price of oil goes up. Price of food goes up.

Who could have guessed?

Meanwhile, the housing bubble bursts and fewer people have ground to grow crops. Money becomes more and more, our only access to food. In Germany, where most people live in high density appartment houses, people rent small plots of ground (Grund Stuck) so that they can have a garden.

This is a great time to live for conspiracy theorists.

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Billy Rose

Buy stock in fertilizer company's MON, TNH you can make some money. Check them out. I just sold they had such a run, but I sold too early TNH went up

30 right after I sold it and I made 10 on it. I pulled out of the market because its been going a little to good.
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Aluckyguess

You pulled out of the market because you think it's been doing too good, but yet you are recommending it to others????

Reply to
Rachael Simpson

I'm a little unclear here.

Is this Terra Nitrogen Co LP TNH, based in Souix CIty, that you are suggesting?

What do you think, Billy? Does this sound like a good place to put your money?

BTW....those tomatoes still getting worse?

Charlie

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Charlie

If you talk to the typical SUV driver, he would rather give up his gun (a big from red-state america) rather than give up his SUV. I've talked directly with them, and straight from the horses mouth: "I just couldn't live without my SUV...yea I know it takes a lot of gas but I just love it. Those other cars are just too darn small."

If rural and suburban politicians want votes, then they better keep the gas prices low. And even though liberals are in charge of congress theres an aweful lot of members of congress on both sides who have voters to appease.

Dan

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Dan

And anytime the Demos may win,poof, Lieberman becomes a Republican and bye-bye numerical advantage.

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Billy Rose

Cranial rectal inversion is what I would call it. Obviously Aluckyguess is maxed out at his shoulders. If your not waiting for the raptures, this is a real Judas moment. Silver for your soul. Good for your portfolio, greases the slide to hell.

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Billy Rose

Candidly, I'm a bit paranoid about food production for the masses. I'm bringing in another 12 yards of soil next year. My area can't support gardening for edible plants due to rocky conditions.

Where can I find inexpensive equivalent to railroad ties for a raised garden? Am using stacked and treated 4X4s now in a circumference of a small garden. Dave

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Dave

I use rough cut cypress for my bed.....6"x5/4" x 12'......eight bucks apiece. Won't rot in contact with soil, bugs don't bother it. But I am feeling guilt over the destruction of cypress,

What about logs, smallish....stacked, drilled, and pinned with rebar?

Any availabilty in your area from tree trimmers, loggers, etc? Any sawmills around to get scrap slabs from?

Railroad ties will leach creosote, as will poles and treated lumber. Into your food.

G'luck Charlie

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Charlie

The American obssession with large cars is something I've always considered a bit odd (not being American and living in a country as big as the continental US and with far worse road conditions and much higher prices for petrol). If my country can manage with small cars, I always wonder why Americans can't.

I remember seeing an interview of a number of Americans on just this topic. One black chap was standing next to his Suburban and saying, "I'm a big man so I need a big car". It was a case of an unrealistic self image. He wasn't a big man, he was not tall, he was just fat. If he'd last about 50+ lb of blubber he would have fitted into a small European car.

But how can they do that with the price climbing all over the world? The prices for petrol are very low in the US by way of comparison with the rest of the western world.

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FarmI

Slaughter them as soon as you know that they are roosters and not hens and they are good to eat.

Or make a slow cooked curry or any slow cooked casserole.

I'm

Speaking of hash browns, how do you make them? I have them once a month at a restaurant for breakfast but as they aren't a common thing in my country, I've never known how to make them.

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FarmI

hyuk, enough space for me and bobby-jean, for gra'ma and grandpappy, bobby-jean junior, billy-jean, bobby-jo, cletus, joey-joe and joe-bob. Hyuk.

rob

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George.com

One reason I put in a vege garden & polytunnel 18 odd months ago and have started to learn things far more intensively than when I had my last vege garden. Learn it now & it'll be there if/when I need it. I am dabbling with seed saving & green manuring as well should things go south.

The sudden spike in dairy prices has been good news for our dairy farmers. I saw a figure today suggesting $ NZ 2 billion extra this season. The reserve bank (who are fixated with inflation) is warning farmers to keep the money in their pockets least it fuels inflation. We are shortly getting bio-fuel plants here converting tallow, whey & waste cooking oil into bio-diesel & ethanol. We will get about 4% of our diesel needs & about 1% of our petrol substitutes this way. There is some technology to extract bio-diesel from algae grown on sewerage ponds. That would be useful for both municipal & farm based effluent. That'd give a reasonable % substitute for fossil diesel when it dissappears. Maybe at a guess 10-15%. That is a quite a generous figure a bio-fuel substitute for a fossil fuel.

Peak oil will come sometimes. We may have just had it, we may be in the centre of it now, it may be just around the corner or it may be 20 odd years away. Some will scoff & say we will never run out of oil as morw will be discovered as prices make it economically feasible to extract. ROFTL. and ROFTL again. Thats part of the point of peak oil. It is not only the possibility of oil running out, it is also the pricing out. Oil may be available however the price of it is likely to make intensive use infeasible, in my opinion. Using shit loads of oil through fuel & fertilisers, as described in this thread, are likely to go by the way.

If people want a handle on how things may go, I say may as the future is open, have a look at Cuba. They went through a peak oil exercise with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the loss of their primary export & import market and primary source of oil. Their economy contracted by about 30-40% I believe. The average Cuban lost a number of kilograms. The country adapted to the changes & severe pain by growing a large % of their food in allotments, went organic (because they had no access to pestidices & fertilisers) & focussed more on growing the islands food needs rather than import it. To that end they were mainly successful. Transport wise they went back to pedal & animal power in many cases. A legacy in Habana was the public transport system. They came out with things called Camellos (spanish for Camel). Massive articulated lorries pulling tractors that had been converted to seating. 200-300 people could fit in to a Camello. The Camellos are still running although due to be phased out with the arrival of buses from China.

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was there in March & found it a really interesting trip. Only did 3 weeks so not enough time to look closely at these types of things. I hope to go back for another look at some point.

rob

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George.com

:-)) A friend who lived in the US for many years, and who still keeps up with things American was telling me about a review she read on US made vehicles that concentrated on drink/can holders. She said that the vehicle with the highest number of drink holders was 23 drink holders in one single vehicle where that vehicle was designed to carry (IIRC) 7 people. Neither of us could figure out why one would need more than one drink holder per person.

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FarmI

hyuk, them there drinks holders are so you can put them there juggs on moonshine whiskey in. Hyuk.

rob

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George.com

Hey lilah,

How do you prepare your hashbrowns for freezing? I've always cooked mine fresh, never thought to freeze..........

Anyway, interested in your recipe and all, if you don't mind sharing!

Rae

Reply to
Rachael Simpson

I'm very glad you posted this commentary. I have been saying this for years. I have family in Italy and gasoline there has been 3 UDS for a litre! Their cars are not these huge land yachts and you are correct with your assertion that fatness is run amuck in America.

No, I am not a self-hating American, but when I compare us with other nations in Europe (for example), we are fat, out of control with alcohol and drugs, insane government and it's woefully inadequate presidential administration. People in Europe must think we are the dumbest nation on earth for simply re-electing the bafoon as our leader.

All the time I wait for sighs of the downturn and eventually America will be a third world nation. We have deluded thinking when we say we are the wealthiest nation on the planet. As far as I know, we are one of the most in DEBT nation in the planet. I've read several reports saying the average credit card debt in the U.S. is anywhere from 5 to

11 thousand dollars!

Eh, it's too early in the morning to be so worked up.

Victoria

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